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Is this part of the wussification of boys?

Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:18 pm
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:18 pm
This weekend I watched 4 games in the Little League World series. Players are 11-12-13 years old. All of the games were U.S. Did not watch and foreign games.

I was amazed at the number of crying episodes. Pitcher throws a ball ...he cries. Batter strikes out...he cries.

I played LL, coached LL back in the day. Never saw a player cry unless he got hit with a pitch or lost a tooth on a bad hop. Crying was for physical pain..not emotional disappointment.

My son played LL for 4 years. Never saw a player cry. I did see 7 and 8 year old tee ball players cry. But never at the age over 11.

For you younger posters who attend youth games...is this fairly common now?

Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56009 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:20 pm to
I don't know any kids who are doing this right now, but I think this is common. Don't suppress tears you are a gay bigot if you do, its fine for boys to cry this mainly stuff is overrated a boy crus its ok.

before toddy yells at me. My simple point is that the political correctness of this society causes us to not challenge boys to be men anymore. There is an overemphasis on emotions and not enough of an emphasis on being a man.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 1:22 pm
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:21 pm to
I coached LL about 20 yrs ago and crying was on the upswing. The kids are not taught this important lesson - "there's no crying in baseball."
Posted by fleaux
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
8741 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:22 pm to
This is not an excuse, but i can imagine the idea that you just messed up in front of millions of people can be hard for a 12 year old to take
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56009 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:22 pm to
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"there's no crying in baseball."
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:24 pm to
I don't really think crying has anything to do with how tough you are. I remember many times seeing a playground fight where the winner of the fight, after a decisive victory, cried during and after the fight. I think crying is a superficial release of emotion and has no inherent link to one's ability to persevere.

If I strike out in a big game and I have to walk to the dugout with the feeling that I let my teammates down after all the work we've put in together, I could cry. I never did, though, because everybody in the park already knew that I was going to strike out.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:25 pm to
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Don't suppress tears you are a gay bigot if you do
Every single person says exactly this.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

This weekend I watched 4 games in the Little League World series. Players are 11-12-13 years old. All of the games were U.S. Did not watch and foreign games.

I was amazed at the number of crying episodes. Pitcher throws a ball ...he cries. Batter strikes out...he cries.

I played LL, coached LL back in the day. Never saw a player cry unless he got hit with a pitch or lost a tooth on a bad hop. Crying was for physical pain..not emotional disappointment.

My son played LL for 4 years. Never saw a player cry. I did see 7 and 8 year old tee ball players cry. But never at the age over 11.

For you younger posters who attend youth games...is this fairly common now?


My older brother was much more serious about sports growing up than I was, and it wasn't uncommon for him to throw a little fit any time he fricked up. Around the time he turned 8 or 9, the old man took him behind the bleachers and put an end to it once and for all.

Don't blame commericials, movies, Harvard, or the government if you're raising a pussy. Look to yourself and your wife.
Posted by GhostofJackson
Speedy Teflon Wizard
Member since Nov 2009
6602 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:26 pm to
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I remember many times seeing a playground fight where the winner of the fight, after a decisive victory, cried during and after the fight.


Where the hell did you grow up?
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21165 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

This is not an excuse, but i can imagine the idea that you just messed up in front of millions of people can be hard for a 12 year old to take



I'm going to say this is a big part of it.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:28 pm to
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Don't blame commericials, movies, Harvard, or the government if you're raising a pussy. Look to yourself and your wife.
This works for just about anything.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

Don't blame commericials, movies, Harvard, or the government if you're raising a pussy. Look to yourself and your wife.


troof.

i have a niece who is 12, she will cry for 4 hours.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28257 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:31 pm to
It is common. The problem stems from the parents. I can vividly remember being told to "suck it up" by coaches and parents (even my mom)when things went wrong. Now you've got a group of parents who tell their kids that they are the best ones on the team and that the coaches and other players are idiots. When things go wrong (and they will when you're playing other very good ballplayers) mommy's and daddy's little "all american" doesn't suck it up, but instead blames everybody else for his poor play. It is sad to see.

However, there are also good moments. In the five minutes of a game I watched last night I saw a kid from Chicago hit a monster HR. As he was coming home he did a bit of a showboating gesture. It wasn't necessarily to show up the other team, but to celebrate with his own teammates. Nevertheless, between innings his coach made him go to the other team's coach and apologize for his actions. I likely won't watch too much of the tournament, nor do I care who wins, but there is no doubt that the Chicago team is coached by some very respectable adults.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:33 pm to
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Where the hell did you grow up?
A place where everybody plays state championship level football, goes to church, owns guns, hunts, fishes, votes Republican, and lives the life of a typical sidewalk LSU fan.

Look, none of us ever struck out on espn when we were 12. I remember crying when I was 9 and we lost the title game in basketball, and I was mostly crying because my mom was taping the game and my shitty performance would live on into eternity.

Hey Zach, these kids could kick your arse in baseball because they're tougher than you.
Posted by Jagd Tiger
The Kinder, Gentler Jagd
Member since Mar 2014
18139 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:34 pm to
when I tied our school record for the 220(In my day we ran miles in halves, quarters, eighths and such) I had to lobby just to get my name added to the record plate as a co-holder.

Now if you don't get a participation ribbon for tee ball it's an outrage!

Yes the pussification comes from the parents, not the children.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:34 pm to
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I was amazed at the number of crying episodes.


Don't even get me started about LL.

I hate the rule that if one team gets ten runs ahead they end the game so the boys on the losing team won't be humiliated.

What ever happened to teaching the boys that "It ain't over until the last out"?

I also hate that every player has to play at least two innings.

What ever happened to telling the boys to practice more so that you can become good enough to play in the game?

And I hate the rule that a pitcher has to be taken out of the game after 85 pitches.

Not to mention letting girls on the team.

That little black girl wouldn't have struck me out.

I played every inning of every game when I was 12 and didn't strike out once.

Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:35 pm to
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Now you've got a group of parents who tell their kids that they are the best ones on the team
Were they wrong? These kids were selected to be on their LLWS team.

Shout out to all the homies picking on kids for crying when they're better at baseball than you are at anything.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

This weekend I watched 4 games in the Little League World series.



I'd cry too if I had to sit through 4 baseball games.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:36 pm to
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DawgfaninCa
Here they come, poking their chest out as usual. We're very impressed by how tough you are.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27817 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:39 pm to
LLWS is a higher level. We see crying at the highschool, college and professional level when people fail at accomplishing their goal when they are very close.
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