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re: is there a more communistic law than the "seat belt" law?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:02 pm to Keltic Tiger
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:02 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Do you honestly think the trial lawyers would let this pass, not being able to collect damages from an insurance company for this reason?
It's not even admissible as of now. No way would they make it an outright bar to recovery.
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:09 pm to Dick Leverage
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In fact, many innocent lives are saved by requiring that children of ignorant parents be safely restrained as those children would most likely not be buckled in without threat of monetary penalty.
"Tyranny!" cried the poliboard.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:15 pm to Zach
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Uh, you didn't read the whole thread. I was responding to the point that anyone against SB laws must be stupid. Scroll up to understand the context.
Why in the hell would anyone want 3 different undergraduate degrees? I also don't believe you are as old as you claim as your responses and reasoning seem to be more suited to a much younger man.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:24 pm to dante
quote:Because seat belts don't work well on motorcycles. I also don't know why anyone would ride a motorcycle without a helmet. I have heard some people make the argument that they would rather die than be paralyzed, but to me that makes as much sense as the non seat belt drivers who would prefer to be "thrown clear" of a car accident.
Serious question, if seat belt laws are mandatory how are motorcycles even allowed on public roads. Haven't some/most states done away with helmet laws also?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:27 pm to mmcgrath
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"thrown clear"
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:28 pm to mmcgrath
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I also don't know why anyone would ride a motorcycle without a helmet
me neither. but, taking the choice away from them is not a democracy.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:30 pm to oldcharlie8
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me neither. but, taking the choice away from them is not a democracy.
Good thing our Founding Fathers set up our form of governance as a Democratic Republic.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:34 pm to PVnRT
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It's pretty easy to get thrown around the inside of a vehicle if your not strapped in. A glancing blow off of a guardrail or another vehicle is a good example. If your strapped in, you can still bring the vehicle to a stop. If you're not strapped in, your vehicle can continue on uncontrolled, possibly crossing a yellow line or unnecessarily plowing into whatever.
Give me an example of when this has happened in the history of the world.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:38 pm to Dick Leverage
"No liberties are infringed on by seatbelt laws. In fact, many innocent lives are saved"
No liberties are infringed on by fat laws. In fact, many innocent lives are saved.
No liberties are infringed on by fat laws. In fact, many innocent lives are saved.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:41 pm to DanTiger
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Why in the hell would anyone want 3 different undergraduate degrees?
They're not.
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I also don't believe you are as old as you claim as your responses and reasoning seem to be more suited to a much younger man.
Oooh, I think you just gave Zach a compliment. I am blushing.
But be careful. Lucy might get jealous.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:43 pm to Zach
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Give me an example of when this has happened in the history of the world.
Whenever a person is thrown from a vehicle the vehicle, if upright, will remain in motion. I don't really care one way or the other about this but to claim that seat belt laws are some sort of affront to liberty is, in my opinion, quite a stretch. You do not have an inherent right to drive and so you must follow the rules that are set forth. If you don't like the rules you are free not to drive and your liberty will remian intact.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:54 pm to Dick Leverage
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First, driving a vehicle on a publicly owned roadway is not a right or a liberty granted to you by the constitution. It is a privilege earned and licensed. It can be revoked. When you agree to the terms of this privilege, you agree to the rules regulating the act of operating a vehicle on public roadways.
This.
Also my rights to a happy life are being infringed upon by your stupid arse not wearing a seatbelt because when you get in a care accident and become disabled, my tax money will be used to support your disabled arse.
Or, if someone with insurance hits you, my rates will go up because your stupid arse wasn't wearing a seatbelt causing a much larger settlement.
Regardless of not being able to sue if you choose not to wear a seatbelt, which would never pass because most congress people are lawyers, if your stupid arse becomes disabled, my tax money will be supporting you and I do not want to support any more idiots.
My tax money is already being given to enough idiots and crooks. I don't need any more idiots...
And by the way, I believe Zach is oldish. I have no idea exactly how old that is, but he tells some pretty interesting stories. He is a good guy.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 3:56 pm to DanTiger
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Whenever a person is thrown from a vehicle the vehicle, if upright, will remain in motion. I don't really care one way or the other about this but to claim that seat belt laws are some sort of affront to liberty is, in my opinion, quite a stretch. You do not have an inherent right to drive and so you must follow the rules that are set forth. If you don't like the rules you are free not to drive and your liberty will remian intact.
1. You couldn't give me an example of where this ever happened in history.
2. If the idea is to save a life why don't we require drivers to wear helmets. Do you agree that helmets would save at least 100 lives a year from car crashes?
3. Why don't we mandate cars to go no more than 20 MPH. Do you disagree that it would save 1,000 lives a year?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:21 pm to Zach
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:28 pm to PVnRT
People playing on their cell phones, eating, putting on makeup, playing with the radio, etc... cause more harm than an unbuckled person.
When are you going to start fighting to ban ALL of those?
When are you going to start fighting to ban ALL of those?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:32 pm to PVnRT
1. Why did he lose control of the bus?
2. How many children were killed?
3. How would a seat belt have prevented it?
4. Do actuarial numbers justify a law for all school bus drivers to wear SB?
5. Should all of the children on the SB be equipped with SBs?
6. Should we just bubble wrap kids to protect them from SB accidents?
7. Should SBs be abolished and kids walk to school like I did?
2. How many children were killed?
3. How would a seat belt have prevented it?
4. Do actuarial numbers justify a law for all school bus drivers to wear SB?
5. Should all of the children on the SB be equipped with SBs?
6. Should we just bubble wrap kids to protect them from SB accidents?
7. Should SBs be abolished and kids walk to school like I did?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:33 pm to SG_Geaux
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Because when you get maimed for not wearing a seat belt, my money has to take care of your sorry arse.
Yeah that makes sense. While we're at it let's regulate what people can eat and drink because of the medical costs associated with obesity
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:48 pm to Zach
Dude, you need to stop. That was an example how failure to wear a seat belt can cause you to be a danger to others, whether they be pedestrian or other motorists. All he did was hit some bumps and it threw him from the seat. A glance off of a guardrail or another car can have the same effect in a passenger vehicle. Are you really trying to argue that it can't/hasn't happened?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 4:57 pm to PVnRT
Dude.. I gave you 7 bullet points. You answered NONE of them. Not one. How pathetic.
I don't know if it happened because you didn't answer any of my questions.
Re: "Can't Happen" ...yes..we can all be hit by an asteroid tomorrow. Run and hide under your bed.
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Are you really trying to argue that it can't/hasn't happened?
I don't know if it happened because you didn't answer any of my questions.
Re: "Can't Happen" ...yes..we can all be hit by an asteroid tomorrow. Run and hide under your bed.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:18 pm to Zach
I didn't answer them because you are deflecting. You are claiming that your refusal to wear a seat belt only puts you at risk and no one else. I have challenged that comment and that comment only. I really don't care about your 7 bullet points because they don't prove a damn thing for you.
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