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Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:50 am to Rakim
quote:as much as rocket launchers are covered by the second amendment i suppose, sure
I guess killing babies is covered in that too?
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:50 am to Rakim
No it's not. You have to have a job to get it
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:52 am to Machine
quote:
why do you hate the Deceleration of Independence?
just so we're clear, the DOI has no part in forming our actual government
hell, we had a whole different federal government b/w the DOI and our current Constitution
lastly, trying to extrapolate "life" into "healthcare" is ridiculous for about 100 reasons
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:trying to extrapolate "arms" in the 18th century to arms in the 21st century is ridiculous yet conservatives pimp the second amendment like a five dollar hooker
lastly, trying to extrapolate "life" into "healthcare" is ridiculous for about 100 reasons
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:54 am to The Spleen
Can I ask what ought to be obvious questions?
First, groundwork. I happen to agree that we should have a basic level of health care available to all. Note, I didn't say EQUAL health care, but yes, I think we can figure out how to ensure people are taken care of.
So. My questions are simple.
1. Why don't we simply approach needy people in need of health care the same way we approach needy people in need of food(welfare) or needy people in need of housing(public housing, etc)? We don't look at people who need housing and say, "ok, build em all the same kind of house the guy with the 6 figure job has".
2. Basically, why do we need to effectively nationalize health care for 30 million people? It makes no numerical sense. We could simply have needs based public assistance like we do for anything else. Why not?
3. And, let's cover the hard one. Why can't we treat the person CAPABLE of buying insurance that prioritizes other things the same way we treat the person CAPABLE of buying food that prioritizes partying all week? "Whoops, looks like you'll be hungry.........bad choices".
First, groundwork. I happen to agree that we should have a basic level of health care available to all. Note, I didn't say EQUAL health care, but yes, I think we can figure out how to ensure people are taken care of.
So. My questions are simple.
1. Why don't we simply approach needy people in need of health care the same way we approach needy people in need of food(welfare) or needy people in need of housing(public housing, etc)? We don't look at people who need housing and say, "ok, build em all the same kind of house the guy with the 6 figure job has".
2. Basically, why do we need to effectively nationalize health care for 30 million people? It makes no numerical sense. We could simply have needs based public assistance like we do for anything else. Why not?
3. And, let's cover the hard one. Why can't we treat the person CAPABLE of buying insurance that prioritizes other things the same way we treat the person CAPABLE of buying food that prioritizes partying all week? "Whoops, looks like you'll be hungry.........bad choices".
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:57 am to Machine
quote:
rying to extrapolate "arms" in the 18th century to arms in the 21st century is ridiculous
not really, and most importantly, that discussion is direct
regulating what arms we may be able to purchase falls in line with the philosophy that "just because there is a right doesn't make it absolute", which is completely different than taking a VERY general concept (life) and trying to fit in an indirect, only slightly tangential concept (healthcare)
if you want to make a weak comparison, i suggest using the various examples of "speech" instead of "arms"
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:57 am to Machine
quote:
why do you hate the Deceleration of Independence?
You're projecting again.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
not really, and most importantly, that discussion is direct
no more direct than healthcare isPosted on 7/31/17 at 8:58 am to Machine
quote:
as much as rocket launchers are covered by the second amendment
You're tripping yourself up here.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:59 am to Machine
quote:LOL. He can deliver the concept to you. He can't comprehend it for you.
no more direct than healthcare is
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:00 am to Rakim
No...
You don't even need it to live...
You don't even need it to live...
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:02 am to ShortyRob
quote:delectably ironic
LOL. He can deliver the concept to you. He can't comprehend it for you.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:04 am to Machine
quote:
g to extrapolate "arms" in the 18th century to arms in the 21st century is ridiculous yet conservatives pimp the second amendment like a five dollar hooker
quote:
To disarm the people [is] the best and most effectual way to enslave them
If Mason is right, then to do the alternative is to "pimp" slavery...
Are you cool with that?
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:04 am to Machine
quote:
no more direct than healthcare is
in what way did "life", as meant by Jefferson, include "healthcare"?
why did he never push for government programs for health care? certainly you have some historical data to support this allegedly direct association
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
why did he never push for government programs for health care? certainly you have some historical data to support this allegedly direct association
He's got jack shite.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:quote all three words
in what way did "life", as meant by Jefferson, include "healthcare"?
"preservation of life"
makes it a lot easier to comprehend
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:08 am to Machine
quote:
preservation of life
So...you're anti-choice?
Lol
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:08 am to Machine
quote:
quote all three words "preservation of life" makes it a lot easier to comprehend
Um
quote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
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