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Is healthcare a "right"?
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:37 pm
Seriously, I've seen Pelosi and Bernie say this over the past few days. We provide healthcare services or at least access to every citizen. If you make healthcare an entitlement for 300 million people then what does that cost us?
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Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:40 pm to Rakim
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Is healthcare a "right"?
frick
no
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If you make healthcare an entitlement for 300 million people then what does that cost us?
i really am curious how much people think this type of plan would cost
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:40 pm to Rakim
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Seriously, I've seen Pelosi and Bernie say this over the past few days.
It's been more than the past few days.
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We provide healthcare services or at least access to every citizen.
We provide emergent health care services and access to everyone for life threatening care via EMTALA, but no it is not provided to every citizen currently.
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If you make healthcare an entitlement for 300 million people then what does that cost us?
A whole lot of money.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:40 pm to Rakim
Maybe healthcare as it is administered in Canada, Britain, etc.
Not healthcare that America wants.... Experimental drugs, 95 year olds on ventilators for months, 26 week old premies on life support, MRIs for everyone
Not healthcare that America wants.... Experimental drugs, 95 year olds on ventilators for months, 26 week old premies on life support, MRIs for everyone
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:41 pm to Rakim
Yes! You have the right to treat yourself. If you mean can you force someone else to treat you, then no. That would be forced servitude or enslavement.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:41 pm to Rakim
You can call it a right or whatever you want, but in reality it is an economic good subject to the same law of scarcity as everything else that is tangible.
Simply making something a "right" through decree does nothing to actually provide someone with something
Simply making something a "right" through decree does nothing to actually provide someone with something
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Cost us over a trillion per year
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:42 pm to Rakim
No
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:43 pm to ctalati32
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We provide emergent health care services and access to everyone for life threatening care via EMTALA, but no it is not provided to every citizen currently.
bullshite if anyone goes through the ER then the hospital has to see you.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:43 pm to Rakim
No.
But there's a case that unhealthy citizens are less productive and it might be wise to invest in health and education to stay competitive in a global market where the vast majority have single payer health care.
But there's a case that unhealthy citizens are less productive and it might be wise to invest in health and education to stay competitive in a global market where the vast majority have single payer health care.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:48 pm to dbeck
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But there's a case that unhealthy citizens are less productive and it might be wise to invest in health and education
but what if our issues with health and education are not really tied to government spending?
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:48 pm to Rakim
No. You can't force people to become doctors and serve people. Well, not is America anyway, and otherwise, who would want that type of HC?
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:54 pm to Rakim
We HAVE healthcare.
Health INSURANCE is not a right anymore than a vehicle or a pair of shoes or a burger is...
Health INSURANCE is not a right anymore than a vehicle or a pair of shoes or a burger is...
This post was edited on 7/30/17 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'd say a lot (Not all) of our issues with health care are tied to the fact that it's so expensive to go to the doctor so people put it off until it's too late and then it's really expensive to get treatment.
Like that old saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
Insurance itself is the other problem. Like scholarships, insurance masks the true cost of health care. We don't mind that a hospital charges $100 for a bandage because "Hey the insurance is paying for it." Even though they are passing on those costs indirectly.
If everyone for an actual bill for the cost of services we'd throw a fit and demand reasonable prices. But hospitals exist in an environment that protects them from true competition so we don't have competition driving down prices either.
I say this because you have to have government permission to open a hospital in a city. It's not like a restaurant, for example, where anyone can compete.
Like that old saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
Insurance itself is the other problem. Like scholarships, insurance masks the true cost of health care. We don't mind that a hospital charges $100 for a bandage because "Hey the insurance is paying for it." Even though they are passing on those costs indirectly.
If everyone for an actual bill for the cost of services we'd throw a fit and demand reasonable prices. But hospitals exist in an environment that protects them from true competition so we don't have competition driving down prices either.
I say this because you have to have government permission to open a hospital in a city. It's not like a restaurant, for example, where anyone can compete.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:00 pm to dbeck
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But there's a case that unhealthy citizens are less productive
Productive citizens have health insurance. Free healthcare won't make LeBrandis any more productive.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:00 pm to Rakim
No.
It's a service.
It's a service.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:02 pm to Rakim
Rights are protections from other people.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:04 pm to Rakim
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If you make healthcare an entitlement for 300 million people then what does that cost us?
a 1/2 trillion for Bush 2's war to pretend to find Bin Laudin in Afghanistan, although he was in Pakistan, and another trillion to make the world safe from Baathists nukes in Iraq.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:05 pm to Rakim
quote:Pittiful argument made by small people. Even if one considers it a right... it doesn't encumber the government to pay for it. If the government were in teh business of delivering everything you have a "right" to for free... they owe us all a printing press, a church, and a gun.
Is healthcare a "right"? Seriously, I've seen Pelosi and Bernie say this over the past few days
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but what if our issues with health and education are not really tied to government spending?
This.
There are certain cultures within our own that simply do NOT value education at all.
You can provide education, but you can't force people to take advantage of it.
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