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re: Is healthcare a "right"?
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
none of our founders believed the federal government should be that powerful
None of them believed we were a Christian nation - and they actually wrote that down.
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:28 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Fortunately in the law exclusion is not inclusion.
Via their words, which we can verify?
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:31 pm to BamaAtl
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None of them believed we were a Christian nation - and they actually wrote that down.
wait
is your argument the magical liberal mindreading game?
are we ignoring their laws, the caselaw they presided over, and other behaviors, too? all just a ruse so that about 200 years later, the federal government could finally give the nation that public health care the founders always thought it should have been offering in the late 18th century?
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:31 pm to BamaAtl
quote:None of them believed we were an atheist nation. All knew we were in vast predominance, a nation trusting in God.
None of them believed we were a Christian nation
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:32 pm to BamaAtl
quote:You can't verify their actions?
Via their words, which we can verify?
There's this thing called history books ya know.
You can go see what kind of legislation they tried to push or didn't push.
I mean, that was among one of your dumbest retorts ever on this board.
OF COURSE you can verify what the founders did in terms of policy.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:33 pm to Centinel
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Found another one who's never read the Federalist Papers. Not that I'm surprised in the least.
They really do pretend to be stupid well.
I mean, please God tell me bamaatl is pretending.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:38 pm to BamaAtl
quote:I know insurance is on your mind, but you meant "ensuring". And no, promoting the general welfare is not ensuring a result. It is ensuring a possibility, perhaps even a probability of attainment.
Part of promoting . . . is insuring
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:40 pm to BamaAtl
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Part of promoting the general welfare is insuring the population is in good health.
Even if it were, you still suffer from the logic error of trying to conflate promoting with mandating.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:40 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Surely you don't think that clause indicates the founders intended it to mean "give everyone health insurance" which didn't even exist in any wide fashion at the time.
Part of promoting the general welfare is insuring the population is in good health.
Or did you mean "ensure"-- which is similialrly unsupportable, but slightly less silly.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:41 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
I know insurance is on your mind, but you meant "ensuring". And no, promoting the general welfare is not ensuring a result. It is ensuring a possibility, perhaps even a probability of attainment.
I'm still amused that the left can actually pretend they believe the founders meant something in their words that they NEVER even tried to do while in charge.
At no point while they were in charge did they come close to trying to create the wet dream government today's liberals try to claim they MEANT to create using their words.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 3:07 pm to dbeck
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Message Is healthcare a "right"? by dbeck No. But there's a case that unhealthy citizens are less productive and it might be wise to invest in health and education to stay competitive in a global market where the vast majority have single payer health care.
It is ironic that you mention health and education in the same sentence. The state of our publice education system is precisely the reason I do not want the government running healthcare.
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