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re: Is anyone else laughing about this "red line" media creation?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
And completely appropriate
so you're admitting the media is acting in a partisan manner
a want did as well
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Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Yay team!!! Do you paint your face and wear the jersey, too?
And completely appropriate
As long as it damages the other party, it's appropriate, amiright?
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:04 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Nothing has been put forth by the progressives that counter my statement.
You are batshit crazy
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:06 pm to Scruffy
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Nothing has been put forth by the progressives that counter my statement.
Prove me wrong fallacy
If you HONESTLY believe that progressives would rather SK nuked than something positive happen for Trump is so far beyond any sort of reasonable analysis it's a joke
The sad thing is that you used to be a decent poster
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
As you saying that something done for partisan reasons can't also be legitimate? The two are mutually exclusive?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
well it's really hard to make your arguments when the American media has turned Trump into the villain, when the actual villain is a terrible dictator who consistently threatens worldwide peace by continuing to develop it's nuclear/ICBM programs. in what universe is a silly "strong man" statement in any way comparable to what Un is doing? it's not
the media is doing nothing more than actin partisan to attack trump and they're acting insane. trying to make Trump into the villain here is just as insane as scruffy's statement
the media is doing nothing more than actin partisan to attack trump and they're acting insane. trying to make Trump into the villain here is just as insane as scruffy's statement
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:12 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
As you saying that something done for partisan reasons can't also be legitimate?
in this instance i don't care. i made this thread to criticize the major media for it's biased nature (that it refuses to admit)
this thread wasn't made to defend Trump
quote:
The two are mutually exclusive?
they're not, but it is wholly improper for anyone in the media to do this without declaring their bias
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:So did you.
The sad thing is that you used to be a decent poster
I'll admit that that comment was a bit beyond the truth, but under no circumstances can I believe that progressives would want Trump to have an actual positive outcome here.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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trying to make Trump into the villain here is just as insane as scruffy's statement
I don't see things in terms of heroes and villains.
NK is a twisted and horrible dictatorship, but Kim Jong is by all accounts paranoid, isolated, and scared shitless.
Trump, who should know better, is responding in the same petulant and short-sighted approach he applies to most issues. He is certainly not the villain, but his actions are unquestionably needlessly escalating the situation. You can't tell me with a straight face the joint chiefs told him to make those comments
Put the two situations together and combine it with a lack of diplomatic relations and you've got right now a 2 or 3% chance of outright war between nuclear states. I don't know about you, but that's 2 or 3% too high for my tastes.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:It's a pretty strong and overt abdication of intellectual honesty. They've completely abandoned it to press a partisan narrative. Some seem to be OK with that--to each their own--but it says a lot about their own level of intellectual honesty.
the media is doing nothing more than actin partisan to attack trump and they're acting insane
Ironically, soon enought it will be the same people calling republicans hypocrites about _________. (insert whatever issue you like)
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:It is if you want him to fail simply for partisan reasons, no matter the future outcome.
well it's really hard to make your arguments when the American media has turned Trump into the villain, when the actual villain is a terrible dictator who consistently threatens worldwide peace by continuing to develop it's nuclear/ICBM programs. in what universe is a silly "strong man" statement in any way comparable to what Un is doing? it's not
quote:Without a doubt.
trying to make Trump into the villain here is just as insane as scruffy's statement
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
Our media really is horrid
Next time they get a dem president they will be just like north korea's
Next time they get a dem president they will be just like north korea's
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:18 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Trump, who should know better, is responding in the same petulant and short-sighted approach he applies to most issues. He is certainly not the villain, but his actions are unquestionably needlessly escalating the situation. You can't tell me with a straight face the joint chiefs told him to make those comments
I agree, to an extent. I like Mattis's retro "speak softly and carry a big stick" style and wish that would be the prevailing attitude.
However, the point is that the media is trying to set Trump up to be a failure so Obama doesn't look as feckless in comparison. At the same time they're trying to pin the blame on Trump and not KJU, which is completely dishonest.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
I don't see things in terms of heroes and villains.
you may not but CNN has created that narrative
quote:
Trump, who should know better, is responding in the same petulant and short-sighted way the applies to most issues.
after coming off a historic diplomatic victory in the UN
which one actually matters?
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and you've got right now a 2 or 3% chance of outright war between nuclear states. I don't know about you, but that's 2 or 3% too high.
it's always been that high
NK is not the issue, anyway. China is
that's why the UN victory was such a scary moment for the partisans and why they had to push a narrative that makes Trump the villain
that kind of plays into Scruffy's point. what does the media seek to accomplish? push Trump into a corner so that he actually launches nukes at NK? they're either pushing him to do this or trying to make him look bad for partisan reasons (while still pushing him to do this). that's why Scruffy said what he did. if he media truly cared about the SKs, they'd suck up their pride and praise Trump for how well he's handled this situation GENERALLY. instead, they can't help but attack Trump to promote tehir partisanship which may actually raise tensions into actual war. that's just terrible shite
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:19 pm to upgrayedd
Yall's obsession with the media is out of control. It's really immaterial to this situation. I have no idea nor do I care what they are saying about it on CNN and not nearly as many people as y'all think take it to heart.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Yall's obsession with the media is out of control.
the media is legitimately increasing tensions b/w the US and NK when we're possibly on the brink of nuclear war
it's kind of a proper time to be critical of them
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
Yall's obsession with the media is out of control. It's really immaterial to this situation. I have no idea nor do I care what they are saying about it on CNN and not nearly as many people as y'all think take it to heart.
They literally fabricated something he never said. I don't know how you can't see that. Of course, you probably don't want to, so I guess I understand.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
media is legitimately increasing tensions b/w the US and NK
That's almost as absurd as Scruffy's comment
You're smarter than this SFP
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:25 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Odd claim after you just affirmed that the media is playing partisan games.
Yall's obsession with the media is out of control. It's really immaterial to this situation.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:It is a partisan attempt to catch him in an unwinnable situation merely for partisan purposes.
that kind of plays into Scruffy's point. what does the media seek to accomplish? push Trump into a corner so that he actually launches nukes at NK? they're either pushing him to do this or trying to make him look bad for partisan reasons (while still pushing him to do this). that's why Scruffy said what he did. if he media truly cared about the SKs, they'd suck up their pride and praise Trump for how well he's handled this situation GENERALLY. instead, they can't help but attack Trump to promote tehir partisanship which may actually raise tensions into actual war. that's just terrible shite
They want to make Obama's red line comment and abysmal outcome seem more palatable while pushing for one of two outcomes:
1. Weakening of the US and Trump by attacking a "red line" comment, or
2. Pushing him to start a war with massive loss of SK lives, this giving the opportunity to attack Trump and those they view as the opposition.
What is it they are attempting to do? It isn't reporting of the news and no matter the outcome, including an actual positive one, Trump will be demonized.
As I've said many times, I didn't vote for him and I don't like him, but the absolute inability of the progressives, media, and republicans to give any chances to the Trump administration is infuriating and shows signs that the corrupt and partisan mentality is a massive detriment to our country's survival.
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