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re: Is abortion the single most important political issue to those on the left?
Posted on 5/22/14 at 4:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 5/22/14 at 4:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:That an issue is currently set under the law doesn't mean it's not still a battleground. The 2nd Amendment has been settled for over 225 years, but both sides are still fighting over it.
It's been legal in every state for 40 years, so no.
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Posted on 5/22/14 at 4:46 pm to L.A.
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Just speaking from personal experience I don't think it is the #1 issue with conservatives. I think taxes or the size of government would be the #1 issue with most conservatives, at least among my acquaintances.
based on the TV ads in 2012 for senate, abortion was certainly the issue they talked about most.
But that might be isolated to where I live, and there was an abortion measure on the ballot, soo......
Posted on 5/22/14 at 4:51 pm to L.A.
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That an issue is currently set under the law doesn't mean it's not still a battleground.
It isn't a "battleground". It's an issue entirely by the doing of social conservatives. There is absolutely no chance Roe v Wade is overturned anytime soon, so liberals are largely just responding to the prodding of conservatives.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 4:52 pm to benhamin5555
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It's the right who need to stop trying to fight losing battles on abortion and gay marriage and need to focus on real issues like the economy.
Kind of hard to do during any major election when these seem to be the only two issues anyone ever talks about for both parties.
Abortion will never 100% be illegal, so the continued debate on the topic seems pointless year after year when there are so many more important matters to handle.
Gay marriage argument could be handled just by eliminating the term marriage from the governmental dictionary. Government should just recognize all "marriages" as civil unions.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 4:53 pm to L.A.
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The 2nd Amendment has been settled for over 225 years, but both sides are still fighting over it.
The difference is that there is a legitimate chance that intense gun control laws come into existence within the next 10-20 years. Abortion isn't going away in the lifetime of anyone on this board.
The battle over guns is actually relevant, not merely one side raising hell over an issue they disagree with.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 4:54 pm to MJM
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Lol no it's been legal for 40 years. It's the one's on the right that are obsessed over it.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 4:54 pm to L.A.
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Just speaking from personal experience I don't think it is the #1 issue with conservatives.
I don't think it's the #1 for ALL conservatives, but for many it appears that it is.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 4:55 pm to hawkeye007
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but hey they have to have something to say on sunday when they go to church.
That wasn't ignorant at all.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 4:57 pm to tigers102886
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Abortion will never 100% be illegal, so the continued debate on the topic seems pointless year after year when there are so many more important matters to handle.
If the right dropped abortion, I think most on the left would drop it too. Its not going to go away, and they make the noise and so the left has to respond.
I think many on the left think its a settled issue, so its frustrating to have to get all worked up about it every so often.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 4:58 pm to L.A.
I work with a Leftist woman and she said that abortion rights were the main reason she was supporting Obama's election. She said that the country couldn't afford to lose abortion rights and she would be so overwhelmed with grief if Obama lost, she wouldn't be able to make it to work the next day.
She confided in me that she spends $1500 a month in drugs to help stabilize her emotions. Shocking.
She confided in me that she spends $1500 a month in drugs to help stabilize her emotions. Shocking.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 4:58 pm to The Spleen
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I don't think it's the #1 for ALL conservatives, but for many it appears that it is.
In their defense, if you genuinely believe a baby is being murdered are you not obligated to place a heavy emphasis on that issue?
Now obviously most social conservatives exaggerate their conviction on this issue given that nobody who ACTUALLY believes someone is being murdered just sits around and complains about it, but in theory their outrage is justifiable.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:04 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:That's absurd. Let's say that science progresses to the point where the beginning of life can be pinpointed without doubt, and that point is way before birth. The issue would become huge for both sides.
Abortion isn't going away in the lifetime of anyone on this board.
quote:Good Lord, listen to what you're saying. The EXACT same words could be said about abortion. It just depends on which side of the debate you're on as to which issue seems silly to fight over and which doesn't.
The battle over guns is actually relevant, not merely one side raising hell over an issue they disagree with.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:07 pm to BobABooey
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She confided in me that she spends $1500 a month in drugs to help stabilize her emotions. Shocking.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:10 pm to L.A.
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Let's say that science progresses to the point where the beginning of life can be pinpointed without doubt
But if you understood the biology of conception and pregnancy, you'd know this is an absurd "what if". It simply isn't worth discussing because it isn't a possibility. The issue of where life begins will ALWAYS be a personal opinion.
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The EXACT same words could be said about abortion
No, it couldn't. Roe v Wade has no legitimate chance of being overturned. The very nature of the second amendment is in question and sweeping legislation on that issue is a very legitimate possibility.
And for the record, I'm against abortion.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:16 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Good Lord, do you make an effort to be insulting, or does it just come naturally to you?
But if you understood the biology of conception and pregnancy, you'd know this is an absurd "what if".
quote:You have no way of knowing that. Neither do I. What science may uncover in our lifetimes cannot be known.
The issue of where life begins will ALWAYS be a personal opinion.
quote:Probably not, but that's not what we're talking about in this thread. We're talking about important issues for both sides of the aisle.
No, it couldn't. Roe v Wade has no legitimate chance of being overturned.
quote:Says who? Those on the left? Those on the right disagree. Everything you said about abortion I could say here.
The very nature of the second amendment is in question and sweeping legislation on that issue is a very legitimate possibility.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:17 pm to L.A.
No, frickingnour evonomy over is always tops
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:20 pm to Roger Klarvin
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In their defense, if you genuinely believe a baby is being murdered are you not obligated to place a heavy emphasis on that issue?
Good point considering I've heard it argued many times on this board that anyone who is anti-abortion is actually just making up "fake outrage" for the sake of sticking it to them or something. You really can't win.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 5:21 pm to L.A.
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You have no way of knowing that. Neither do I. What science may uncover in our lifetimes cannot be known.
Yes I do, because the impossibility of this has nothing to do with what science may or may not discover.
Watch: Give me a scenario in which science determines conclusively life begins at conception, or at any given point for that matter.
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Probably not, but that's not what we're talking about in this thread. We're talking about important issues for both sides of the aisle.
For the side that supports abortion, the issue is settled. The only reason its an issue is because one side chooses to make an issue out of a closed case, so to speak.
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Says who?
Says reality, one merely needs to be paying attention to note the vast difference in potential future legislation between abortion and gun control. No fewer than three pieces of major gun legislation have been passed at the national level in the last 10 years. Abortion details are handled almost entirely at the state level with legislation very minimal in scope.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 5/22/14 at 8:47 pm to Roger Klarvin
Abortion is an issue where you're always going to have diametrically opposed viewpoints. This is because some people favor the right of themsleves and of other people to choose, and some people favor the imposition of their moral view upon everybody.
I say this as an immigrant. It really is amazing that in this day and age this is such an issue here.
And unlike gun rights where federal law provides a baseline, there are now entire states where legislative efforts to circumvent roe v wade suceeded by making abortion unavailable instead of illegal.
I say this as an immigrant. It really is amazing that in this day and age this is such an issue here.
And unlike gun rights where federal law provides a baseline, there are now entire states where legislative efforts to circumvent roe v wade suceeded by making abortion unavailable instead of illegal.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 9:07 pm to L.A.
Handouts. Free money is always king.
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