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re: IRS computers crashed 10 days after House committee sent letter asking...
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:15 am to wfeliciana
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:15 am to wfeliciana
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As I have said before I worked for DoD for 30 years. Believe it or not most agencies are way behind in technology. Many many agencies are using Windows XP still. Most agencies do not keep emails on a server past a certain time frame. Is the timing suspicious? Yes it is. But the explanations I've heard about destroying crashed hard drives, not keeping emails on servers unfortunately jibe with my career experiences.
The IRS has two required and documented permenant email back up systems:
1. Through an offsite company sonasoft - with whom they canceled their contract immediately upon a local non-related computer "crash"
2. Paper backups of all emails
This is their own documented procedure. So where are the emails?
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:22 am to Rex
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Every equipment failure within an agency so poorly funded it still relies on Windows XP is not a conspiracy.
bullshite. I'm still using Windows XP and my computer never crashes. I bet they could get my emails.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:23 am to theunknownknight
the IRS being deliberately nefarious doesn't give me great confidence in obamacare. just saying.
so when obamacare does something wrong and gets caught, will they just erase peoples healthcare information?
dem hacks should be concerned, and I don't think they realize the big picture with all of this. but whatever, keep cheering for both of the corrupt teams you cheer for right?
it's not about what's right though, it's just about political wins.
so when obamacare does something wrong and gets caught, will they just erase peoples healthcare information?
dem hacks should be concerned, and I don't think they realize the big picture with all of this. but whatever, keep cheering for both of the corrupt teams you cheer for right?
it's not about what's right though, it's just about political wins.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:24 am to constant cough
Yea, Auburn's pharmacy program only recently (like last few months) upgraded their xp machines. Never had a problem.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:31 am to Taxing Authority
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It's amazing that incompetence has become the defense of choice for this administration and it's supporters.
Well, to be fair to Odummy, since the mainstream media and MSNBC refuse to report on this story, it's doubtful that Odummy knows anything about it.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:35 am to constant cough
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bullshite. I'm still using Windows XP and my computer never crashes. I bet they could get my emails.
XP is still the best platform Windows has put out. It's certainly better than anything that's succeeded it.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:45 am to Poodlebrain
quote:The paper requirements don't apply to general e-mails. However, they should have been maintained in e-mail backups on the server.
Didn't Lerner proclaim that she had not violated any laws or IRS policies and procedures? Where are the permanent record copies of her emails that IRS policies and procedures required her to maintain?
Posted on 6/23/14 at 8:12 am to wfeliciana
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not keeping emails on servers unfortunately jibe with my career experiences.
Mine also. Some companies direct you pull all emails older than say 3 years off the exchange server into a pst file, then delete all the unimportant ones. If you didn't put those pst files on an alternate drive, they could possibly be lost if you had a computer problem. I'm not an Exchange guru, so I don't know what the server actually does when you pull an email from your account into a personal folder.
I understand about recycling HDs, but in my experience you didn't "recycle" them to get the $0.04 worth of aluminum in the case. You "recycled" them to prevent the possibility of someone reading the info off them later. Here's Best Buy's pitch.
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and we’ve had a lot of questions about how to safely destroy data on the hard drive. We know the stuff on your hard drive is much more than “data.” It could be your tax records, or your 8,900 music tunes, or precious pictures of Jimmy’s first steps. So here we show you how to protect your information by removing and destroying your hard drive before recycling your machine.
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The PD-4 is designed to physically destroy hard drives in order to prevent persons from being able to "spin" the hard drive up to retrieve data. The PD-4 will automatically bend, break and mangle the hard drive including the data platters - where the data is stored. Once destroyed, the data will no longer be retrievable.
I would like to know what the data recovery guys saw when they tried to read her HD. I wonder if Sandy Berger was on the IT recovery team.
I wonder if Lerner has her pst files on a thumbdrive somewhere like I always did. If Monica Lewinski hadn't kept that blue cocktail dress, she would have been just another bimbo eruption. I'm just saying if this IRS was really coordinated at the White House, such a thumbdrive would be worth a Presidential pardon.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 8:45 am to L.A.
This is even more bullshite considering how the IRS treats many Americans regardless of if they follow America's complicated tax code. The IRS is being intentionally nefarious and I hope we can reform and dismantle the leadership responsible for this as soon as possible.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 8:48 am
Posted on 6/23/14 at 8:55 am to UncleFestersLegs
Sounds like it's time to subpoena Sonasoft to see what records they may still have.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 9:11 am to Bard
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Sounds like it's time to subpoena Sonasoft to see what records they may still have.
Just playing devil's advocate, if you were a vendor and it was found you had retained data from a client with which you no longer had a contract, do you think that would affect your future hire-ability with future companies who might be paranoid about their data?
Posted on 6/23/14 at 9:13 am to son of arlo
I know all the companies I work for never delete data and who knows what their contract said for how long they had to store it for?
He'll they may have copies of the data in crates in iron mountain just sitting there that they prepaid.
He'll they may have copies of the data in crates in iron mountain just sitting there that they prepaid.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 9:14 am to son of arlo
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Just playing devil's advocate, if you were a vendor and it was found you had retained data from a client with which you no longer had a contract, do you think that would affect your future hire-ability with future companies who might be paranoid about their data?
Companies retain data from former clients all the time, just in case they become clients once again. A data-retention company that didn't retain data would make me skeptical about using them.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 9:18 am to constant cough
quote:Apparently we are supposed to believe XP is too primitive to have a backup capability. Which is poppycock.
bullshite. I'm still using Windows XP and my computer never crashes. I bet they could get my emails.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 9:39 am to Taxing Authority
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Apparently we are supposed to believe XP is too primitive to have a backup capability. Which is poppycock.
It has nothing to do with the operating system on the computers, it's what is going on server-side that matters. Don't let the smoke and mirrors confuse you.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:01 am to eng08
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I know all the companies I work for never delete data and who knows what their contract said for how long they had to store it for?
Who knows? I don't know the specifics, but I'm sure some here would be upset if ATT denied access to call detail records, and a prior vendor provided them... Say this company did have all the dirty dog emails from Lois, would they release them? I'm sure there is sensitive taxpayer info in those emails. Does this company have the capacity to redact them properly?
I'm for getting the truth out there as much as anyone, but if I were that company I'd think long and hard about the liability of giving it up.
It may be this company only backed up this data on IRS hardware.
I'm all for asking more questions however. Don't get me wrong.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:03 am to mmcgrath
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The paper requirements don't apply to general e-mails.
General e-mails are things like setting a lunch date with co-workers.
As Poodlebrain pointed out earlier, the Internal Revenue Manual is CRYSTAL CLEAR that the IRS had a DUTY to preserve all of these e-mails that dealt with IRS policy and discussions of taxpayers.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:05 am to MMauler
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As Poodlebrain pointed out earlier, the Internal Revenue Manual is CRYSTAL CLEAR that the IRS had a DUTY to preserve all of these e-mails that dealt with IRS policy and discussions of taxpayers.
This.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:10 am to MMauler
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General e-mails are things like setting a lunch date with co-workers.
And I'd be willing to bet that these are the overwhelming majority of those "24000" e-mails that have been 'recovered' and delivered to the congress.
Someone is working overtime to 'recover' only the most innocuous of the e-mails. There are probably no more than a few hundred truly incriminating e-mails - these will never be 'recovered.'
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 10:11 am
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:44 am to mmcgrath
quote:Yes, they do. IRS policy requires employees to create and retain printed copies of all emails "created or received in the transaction of agency business." Lois Lerner's emails regarding tax exempt entities were most definitely created or received in transaction of IRS business. Thus, she was required by IRS policy to have printed copies of her emails.
The paper requirements don't apply to general e-mails.
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