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Invented Atrocities on 10/7

Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:21 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:21 am
Max Bluenthal linked to this clip from Israeli television, the anchor discusses the issues with three guests.

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Here, a Channel 13 panel including Mickey Rosenfel .... acknowledges that lurid stories of babies hung on clotheslines, a fetus cut from a pregnant woman, a baby baked in an oven, and more were invented “to increase the magnitude of hatred for Hamas.” As Rosenfeld put it, “The war is not only military, not only political, it’s mainly media.”


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Channel 13 manages to elicit a statement of contrition from the IDF spokesman, who apologizes for “describ[ing] a reality that didn’t happen.”


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It's also clear that many of the dead on October 7th, were killed by friendly fire.

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Casualties fell as a result of friendly fire on October 7, but the IDF believes that beyond the operational investigations of the events, it would not be morally sound to investigate these incidents due to the immense and complex quantity of them that took place in the kibbutzim and southern Israeli communities due to the challenging situations the soldiers were in at the time.
From Ynet News on 12/12

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Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:23 am to
Cuts both ways...
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:32 am to
Please explain how this makes any difference?
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:45 am to
Hatred for Jews and God has never been higher than it is today.

Something evil is brewing.
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 4:55 am to
Channel 13 must be owned by an American liberal.
Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 5:10 am to
So we should just be mildly annoyed at what Hamas did on 10/7? It wasn’t “bad enough” to justify rendering Hamas, and the population that supports them, completely impotent to engage in further hostilities?
Posted by pankReb
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 5:10 am to
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Please explain how this makes any difference?


Don't bother. LW was desperate in the OT thread trying to convince people that the IDF is evil and Palestinians/Hamas aren't really doing anything bad because someone once told him that they were threatened by the IDF.
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 5:18 am
Posted by Knight of Old
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 5:27 am to
Horse shite…
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 5:27 am to
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were invented “to increase the magnitude of hatred for Hamas.”
Were families wiped out? Children, infants murdered? Were women raped, murdered? Were women and children taken as hostages?

To seize on one traumatized soldier's exaggerated claim about babies on a clothesline, and use it in an effort to discredit recounted facts of Oct7 Hamas atrocities is sickening.

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It's also clear that many of the dead on October 7th, were killed by friendly fire.
bullshite.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19252 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:05 am to
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To seize on one traumatized soldier's exaggerated claim about babies on a clothesline, and use it in an effort to discredit recounted facts of Oct7 Hamas atrocities is sickening.


The clip depicts three different people.

The problem is that this appears to be a fairly common phenomenon in the aftermath of the attack, or at least, the false claims that were made were quickly repeated by the media in conjunction with the government.

As Mickey Rosenfel, who was a police spokesman, says in the clip

"The war is not only military, not only political, it’s mainly media"

This is a redux of the rape of Belgium, or the Iraqi incubator murders.

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bullshite.


As of November 20% of Israel deaths in Gaza were the result of friendly fire.

On 10/7 the Israelis panicked, and so you have the stories from Apache pilots saying they were ordered to attack anything that moved, and accordingly fired on cars without knowing who was in them, or the reports of tanks firing rounds into buildings without identifying who was inside. It was a clusterfrick. The attack helicopters probably explain the torched cars at the festival.

This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 6:10 am
Posted by chris44gwlsu
Berlin, Germany
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:10 am to
If you have Telegram, look up the chat 'South First Responders' if you want to see unedited proof of some of the stuff. I don't want to link it because I don't know if the rules on here allow linking to such gruesome stuff. It's sick. Most is from Hamas' own body cameras that they used along with security footage.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:16 am to
frick you and your bullshite terrorist mitigation, you POS.
Posted by Rebel
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:19 am to
Had Hamas not committed an act of war on Israeli citizens that day, how many lives would have been lost?
Posted by MemphisGuy
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:23 am to
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Invented Atrocities on 10/7
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Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19252 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:26 am to
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frick you and your bullshite terrorist mitigation, you POS.


America isn’t Israel. We shouldn’t permit them to drag us into their wars.
Posted by bigblake
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:29 am to
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On 10/7 the Israelis panicked, and so you have the stories from Apache pilots saying they were ordered to attack anything that moved, and accordingly fired on cars without knowing who was in them, or the reports of tanks firing rounds into buildings without identifying who was inside. It was a clusterfrick. The attack helicopters probably explain the torched cars at the festival.


The Apache video has been shown to be not depicting what conspiracy theorists originally claimed.

The 20% FF is of soldiers in Gaza (20% of 100 soldier deaths). Nothing to do with October 7. Statistically speaking I'm sure that at least one, of the more than 1,000+ deaths on October 7, was due to friendly fire, but not in the quantity that you’re trying to claim.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
28059 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:29 am to
Wait, Jews were lying, to further their cause? No way



And yes, After what happened, they should level ALL of gaza.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19252 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:29 am to
Copy, I’ll take a look at it.

The problem is that the fake and exaggerated claims muddy the water. And why do you even need to push fake claims?
Posted by beerJeep
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Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:29 am to
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Lima Whiskey


Hamas apologist are just as evil as Hamas
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
131389 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:31 am to
Had Hamas not committed an act of war on Israel on 10/7, how many of your sacred Palestinians would still be above ground and breathing?
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