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Posted on 2/20/14 at 4:11 pm to LSUnKaty
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This is a non-starter, It's more risky to get in a car and drive to work.
To you. You can't get pregnant...you really have no idea what you are talking about.
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Most importantly, 3) we are talking about late term abortions, so the time for choice has passed.
TO you. It's not your life at risk is it.
Once again..it has nothing to do with your opinions...it's not your body or your life at risk is it.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 4:13 pm to Antonio Moss
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That the risk of death is minuscule? There is risk in every activity. The risk of death in child birth is not significant enough to create policy because of it.
It most certainly is to the families who lose their mothers, sisters and wives.
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The overall risk of death is absolutely known at the time of conception. You're talking about subsequent, unknown risk to which we could probably find some common ground.
There are no absolutes.
The overall risk of me getting hit by a bus when crossing the street is more or less known each time I do it.
I have the choice not to if I desire to not take that risk.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 4:14 pm to catholictigerfan
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Pro-life people may hate me for this but I don't like live action.
Well frick a bus we agree on something.
Gotcha moments are just that....really don't help your cause.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 4:21 pm to asurob1
quote:There's a double negative in there - not quite sure what you mean. Why would a woman wait until the 3rd trimester to make a decision like that if it is about rape or incest?
We can not always presume its not about rape or incest.
quote:As I already said, in a case like that the priority should always be saving the mother. No one disputes that, I'm only saying do everything you can (that does not endanger the mother) to save the child also and that there should be no option regarding saving the child at that late stage.
And if you are playing devil's advocate say something goes left in month 8 that will kill the mother if she gives birth. It should be her choice whether or not she takes the risks that may cost her life or not.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 4:23 pm to lsufanguy
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Oh I'm not a fan of those kind of methods either but the Planned Parenthood will never answer it honestly. Hell to be honest neither side of the parties will ever answer anything honestly. So if you want honest answers people have to do stupid crap like this.
but you can't know anything with certainty because you are prodding them along to make a certain response.
also it would never hold up in court, if you want to actual do some good and show down planned parenthood do it in a legal way that will get some traction in court. Make sure that Planned Parenthoods follow medical laws that people claim they break all the time. I think medical facilities are normally inspected but for what ever reason some abortion clinics are not inspected.
There are much better ways to expose planned parenthoods horrible practices than a hidden camera.
I'm pro life to the core but that doesn't mean I don't always agree with the methods they use.
certain things always get under my skin when it comes to the pro life movement
1) Speaking from personal experience, not something I did but something I saw another group do, but many pro life people will purposely put themselves in a situation where they know they will get arrested. Plenty of examples to go off here. There was a student in Canada somewhere who was told by the university to not display posters and hand out literature in this certain area, she did it anyway and now she is seen as a pro life hero. I remember being at a pro life conference and while I did clapped because the other people where clapping inside I was not in any agreement. You are wasting your time purposely getting arrested. There are much better ways to handle violations of free speech then getting arrested. There is a reason you can file law suites on parties you think who have denied you your rights.
2) The graphic image thing is something that even more gets under my skin then the above issue. Many in the pro life movement think that you have to show the most graphic images possible to change people. The two common arguments they use are 1) Jesus was a graphic image so we should use graphic images 2) Emmet Till changed the world because she had an open casket. I think 1 is misguided and not a good argument and 2 is a completely different situation. First people knew that emmet till was a human being but they just thought he was less than human. To see a human being beat up in that way even though he was black enraged most of the country. The problem with doing this with abortion is that most pro choice people don't think that fetus is a human person so seeing a graphic image has no impact on them. Another issue I have with this is that they display it without any warnings. If they were to show up on LSUs campus I would walk out of the union, or out of the school of music or somewhere near the parade grounds and see large graphic images of aborted fetuses. Instead of that having a oh that is so horrible reaction they say wow how inconsiderate to put these very graphic images in plain sight for all to see.
3) Small issue but some pro life people think that all pro life
legislation is good without looking at the impacts.
there may be more but these three issues are my biggest problems with the pro life movement, including live action.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 2/20/14 at 4:34 pm to asurob1
quote:OK - you're either a troll or an idiot.
To you. You can't get pregnant...you really have no idea what you are talking about.
Why do you keep avoiding the central question.
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This thread is about late term abortions, what is the risk of an abortion at that time?
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If there is a danger at that stage, take the child and try to save it, don't kill it in the womb and abort.
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Ok. In the 8th month. what's the difference in taking the baby out alive or taking the baby out dead. it's got to come out one way or another.
quote:Even when the risk to abort is equivalent to (or even higher) than taking the child alive and trying to save it?
Every surgery, no matter how routine, has risk. Prospective Moms deserve to have the right to make the choice of abortion versus pregnancy...it's her body.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 4:37 pm to lsufanguy
GAWDDAMN!!
I am pro-choice...but....DAMN!!
That is tough to watch. I have ALWAYS said that I get very uneasy with my position as the "term" gets later.
The matter of factness is jarring. I get that information is best provided in a dispassionate method.
But....just.....fricking damn.
I am pro-choice...but....DAMN!!
That is tough to watch. I have ALWAYS said that I get very uneasy with my position as the "term" gets later.
The matter of factness is jarring. I get that information is best provided in a dispassionate method.
But....just.....fricking damn.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 4:40 pm to LSUnKaty
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There's a double negative in there - not quite sure what you mean. Why would a woman wait until the 3rd trimester to make a decision like that if it is about rape or incest?
Or maybe the 16-year-old whose uncle has been raping her and terrifying her into silence finally comes forward at month 7 of her pregnancy.
This sort of shite does actually happen.
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As I already said, in a case like that the priority should always be saving the mother. No one disputes that, I'm only saying do everything you can (that does not endanger the mother) to save the child also and that there should be no option regarding saving the child at that late stage.
Yes but if you blindly follow the anti-abortion crowd into making all late term abortions illegal...without exception...then there is no choice to save a mother's life is there.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 4:41 pm to LSUnKaty
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Even when the risk to abort is equivalent to (or even higher) than taking the child alive and trying to save it?
absolutely.
Again...it's her taking the risk.
Not you.
It's her choice.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 5:45 pm to asurob1
Wow
Are you happy or angry that your mom "risked her life" to deliver you, as opposed to aborting you, given you were no more than a nuisance and a "clump of cells?" And, why?
Are you happy or angry that your mom "risked her life" to deliver you, as opposed to aborting you, given you were no more than a nuisance and a "clump of cells?" And, why?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 5:47 pm to asurob1
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By all means attack a woman's right to an abortion by showing something that rarely occurs and pretending like it happens all the time.
This is hilarious coming from the guy who continuously goes on about rape and incest abortions.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 5:50 pm to homesicktiger
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Are you happy or angry that your mom "risked her life" to deliver you, as opposed to aborting you, given you were no more than a nuisance and a "clump of cells?" And, why?
Neither. It was her choice not mine.
Once again...rather the point. (Her choices were limited to coat hangers ;-) or giving birth and I am happy my daughters have many many more choices regarding pregnancy.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 5:50 pm to TN Bhoy
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This is hilarious coming from the guy who continuously goes on about rape and incest abortions.
as always...no one has a clue what you are going on about.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 6:17 pm to asurob1
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Neither. It was her choice not mine.
So, you don't want to answer.
Like I said, wow. I know you're a massive troll, but still, your cavalier attitude on this subject says a lot about you.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 6:20 pm to homesicktiger
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So, you don't want to answer.
Like I said, wow. I know you're a massive troll, but still, your cavalier attitude on this subject says a lot about you.
I did answer.
You didn't get the answer you were seeking.
I assure you your insults will cause me to not sleep tonite as I cry giant tears with belief that you think I have a cavalier attitude regarding women's right to determine what happens to their bodies.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 6:28 pm to asurob1
Actually you didn't answer. And, nowhere did I insult you. So, I'm going with mega-troll.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:04 pm to asurob1
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Or maybe the 16-year-old whose uncle has been raping her and terrifying her into silence finally comes forward at month 7 of her pregnancy
Why not wait 2 more months or so and give the baby up for adoption if she doesn't want it?
That's another option besides killing it.
It's not the baby's fault it was conceived. If it is 7 months old, then let it go to someone that wants it, but there's no need to kill it.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:12 pm to asurob1
Its funny- earlier you were bitching about " rare " instances used to " fire up" their base. Now you are grasping for a rare event to justify abortion.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:32 pm to asurob1
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Every pregnancy puts a woman's life at risk, no matter how well it's going.
Then don't get pregnant.
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