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re: If trump talking to Taiwan is nothing why did Reagan and bushes avoid it?

Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:48 am to
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:48 am to
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Trump doesn't seem to understand the one China policy or maybe thinks he's defying Obama.

But if its a worthless policy why did all of the republican presidents since Carter follow it?




Because the party of Reagan is no more and good riddance to bad rubbish. Conservatism is dead and so is the Reagan Revolution.....
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:49 am to
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mahdragonz
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
22774 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:52 am to
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Pissing them off about the Taiwan thing might make them just say, eff you America, we hope NK nukes Seattle, you Taiwan loving motherfrickers


But what do you think could happen in the real world? A world with intelligence, defence, economies, starving humans, and physical laws behind rocket science?

Not the hyperbolic reactionary one that response came from.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68199 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:55 am to
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Wow. Another low information poster.

It's not a different policy....it's the exact same one.


And nothing's changed in 36 years that might impact that stance?
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19943 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:55 am to
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Wow. Another low information poster.

It's not a different policy....it's the exact same one.

But, do you think the China (and it's place in the world) is anything like it was 30 years ago?

In Reagan's time, the place was still effectively a sealed-off third-rate economy that very well could have lost any attempt to invade Taiwan. Not the case now.

HUGE changes in the dynamic there in 30 years.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15046 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:57 am to
What is wrong with you?

Already analysts are saying and writing that this action by Trump could complicate efforts when cooperation is sought with China over the North Korea nuclear sitation.

Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19943 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:00 am to
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Those supporting this move are some of the dumbest people on the globe. Miserable people who tout political knowledge yet in reality they have anything but knowledge.


How much time you spend living in Asia, Zeke? How many times have you been to China and dealt with the government? I'll bet you our next paychecks I have you beat.

If you don't think China needs a periodic punch in the nose, you have no idea what the nine-dashed line is. It's probably the biggest watershed issue (or catalyst) in the geopolitical difference between now and 30 years ago.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:01 am to
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Already analysts are saying and writing that this action by Trump could complicate efforts when cooperation is sought with China over the North Korea nuclear sitation.







Holy shite, HE ACCEPTED A frickING PHONE CALL YOU INSUFFERABLE BITCH.


Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73439 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:02 am to
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Already analysts are saying and writing that this action by Trump could complicate efforts when cooperation is sought with China over the North Korea nuclear sitation

Let me see if I have this correct.
A phone call destroys the delicate balance.
1.8 bil in military hardware is a meh.
About right?
Posted by cajuncarguy
On the road...Again!
Member since Jun 2013
3135 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:02 am to
This is part of the negotiations for trade and security. Without foreign currency China's dictators lose control.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19943 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:03 am to
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What is wrong with you?

Already analysts are saying and writing that this action by Trump could complicate efforts when cooperation is sought with China over the North Korea nuclear sitation.


Exactly what do you think the Chinese want out of the NK situation? Permanent tension, balanced between collapse and war, is their ideal. There is very little we can influence about that.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:03 am to
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Reagan nor his administration formally communicated with Taiwan.


So how are the arms transactions completed, by osmosis?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:06 am to
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Reagan nor his administration formally communicated with Taiwan.
That's just not true. Reference "the Six Assurances" and "James Lilley." Once again you're caught in a lie.

You just proved YOU are the low information voter in this thread.

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The United States, he explained:

1- Had not agreed to set a date for ending arms sales to the Republic of China;

2- Had not agreed to hold prior consultations with the PRC regarding arms sales to the Republic of China;

3- Would not play a mediation role between the PRC and the Republic of China;

4- Would not revise the Taiwan Relations Act;

5- Had not altered its position regarding sovereignty over Taiwan; and

6- Would not exert pressure on the Republic of China to enter into negotiations with the PRC.

With American approval, the statement was made public in Taiwan three weeks later, and soon after that, "The Six Assurances" were the subject of a Senate hearing.

But this was not President Reagan's only message of reassurance.

Twice more, James Lilley delivered additional messages to Chiang. Together with the assurances, they form a startling package, one that has not received the attention it deserves.
LINK
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68199 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:13 am to
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What is wrong with you?

Already analysts are saying and writing that this action by Trump could complicate efforts when cooperation is sought with China over the North Korea nuclear sitation


I recall similar experts getting the vapors over Reagan breaking away from the balance provided by MAD. How'd that work out?
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19943 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:21 am to
And, lest anyone think otherwise, I am neither anti-China nor reactionary.

I have huge regard for what China has accomplished in the last 35 years. Economic growth is one thing. They have also dealt with a mass of migration from the farms to the cities that could be overwhelming. When you consider how this affects so many aspects of life, especially the hukuo system, doing this with such litttle internal strife is impressive. Now that they are running out of labor cost advantages, how they transform into a knowledge economy will be the big test. Japan has effectively failed at this for over 20 years. An education system that prioritizes rote memory and mathematical crank-turning does that.

Most of any blowback from this will be theatre for domestic consumption. China knows that any armed takeover is a Rubicon event that neither side wants. There is even a strain there that wants something to break the impasse and lead to a realistic reconciliation. There is not that much difference between the two now, and cross-straits commerce (unheard of in Reagan's time) is commonplace.

At the end of the day, the problem I have with all this is that media writers who have never set foot in either place are spouting off like they know without a doubt that Trump has just lit the fuse for Armageddon. I'm tired of the ignorant bluster from the media.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 10:24 am
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