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re: I was appointed to the AL Council on Opiod Misuse and Addiction (UPDATE #2)

Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:48 pm to
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
6939 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:48 pm to
Propose addiction be considered a pre-existing condition and once a person seeks help they won't be able to get insurance.

Suddenly Obamacare will have a lot of supporters.
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
5284 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:49 pm to
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boomertoomer


Pot does wonders for palsy. It is truly criminal to not allow people with this condition to get a natural medicine that literally stops the shakes and trembles.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52717 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:50 pm to
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I have a column on al.com that I write once or twice a month about local issues.

I have written about drug policy in the past and last month wrote a column about this task force and begged them to do the right thing.

I got a call from the director of public policy from Bentley's office and he asked me to be on the committee.
"Someone 'high up' had read my column, then read others, and wanted to get my view" he said.

I worked at a think tank in DC for awhile and wrote a white paper on the coming heroin epidemic in 2013.


awesome man, keep fighting the good fight.

don't hesitate to keep us updated with your experience.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 6:51 pm
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
19074 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:51 pm to
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Decriminalized drugs (Portugese model)


Has worked very well there. However, they do not have multiple cartels running the country on their border. Worth considering, IMO.
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Oregon: making it more difficult to get scripts by having extra loopholes to jump through
Vermont: increased access to buprenorphine (much better than methadone)

Good ideas. Go git 'er done. Who'd think it? Alabama a leader in innovative solutions to drugs and addiction.
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
5284 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:53 pm to
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It has allowed me to avoid taking opiods completely.


In an ideal world, this would be the goal. Once you get a taste, you want more.

However, this committee will most likely be chaired by doctors, and no offense to any doctors out there, but this is akin to the wolves guarding the hen house.

Our goal should be to decrease drug dependency.

Fun fact #2: It is estimated that nearly 65% of all Alabama prisoners are addicts.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98890 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:53 pm to
So...free samples?
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
5284 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:55 pm to
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Alabama a leader in innovative solutions to drugs and addiction.



This is going to be my biggest play.
Asking everyone to consider what a reform impact would have not only to our neighbors, but other states as well, cause if Alabama can reform drug policy, then every state who has not should be embarrassed.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37657 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:55 pm to
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Medical Marijuana


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Montgomery


Yeah let me know how that works out. Bunch of regressed assholes down there.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42571 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:55 pm to
I have had to take opioids before, and they are the worst drug a human can take. My skin was crawling after two hours. It is criminal MM is not an option.
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
5284 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:57 pm to
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4Ghost


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This issue. Is personal to me. Racked my family, hard!


There is probably not a family in America that has not been impacted by addiction. You're not alone.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52717 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:58 pm to
I had a friend just OD and pass away a couple of weeks ago. We are both from Montgomery. shite sucks. Such a shame.
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
5284 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:01 pm to
I have lost a couple as well.

Some are addicted and comeback to life, but very slowly.
Some have passed.
Others might of well be deceased, cause nobody has anything to do with them anymore.

I'm praying that some good will come out of this committee.
Posted by BamaChick
Terminus
Member since Dec 2008
21393 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:01 pm to
I understand the need was there to curb the pill mills and the doctor shopping and I'm totally fine with the new policies put in place (urine testing by docs, prescription monitoring, etc.) but the state of Alabama, has in the process, fricked over a TON of legitimate pain patients.

Within a 2 week period in December we lost 2 very good pain docs not due to any illegal things being done in their practices but by the state forcing them to close by using Medicare and Medicaid to refuse their billings.

There has got to be a happy medium somewhere that keeps the pill mills and drug seekers in check but still allows real people in pain - who don't abuse their medicine but are physically dependent - to get their medication.

Law makers don't seem to get that there is a difference between abuse and dependence. There are plenty of patients that are taking their opioids as directed and have been for years that are getting left in the cold in the state's zeal to not be number one on the list of "Opioid Prescriptions Per Capita".

And tell them there is a reason for the spike in heroin use - it correlates directly to the state's black and white policy on opioids.

I'd sincerely love to spend some time talking to them about what I've experienced as both a member of the healthcare community and as a patient.
Posted by AU66
Northport Al
Member since Sep 2006
3264 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:01 pm to
Im not sure pushing the decriminalization of drugs is a good idea, small steps, you will be dealing with with people like Cam Ward and Mack Butler and just the mention of that will get you laughed at, both of them were convinced Alabama was full of strung out kratom junkies dying in the streets even when presented with evidence during the kratom wars, i can only imagine their head exploding at the thought of legalization or decriminalization
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26966 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:02 pm to
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All good and well, but we are focused on Alabama, so we have no control over that.


So Alabama no longer has congressmen or senators?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134865 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:03 pm to
Treating it as a medical condition needs to be high on the list. The extra jail time route doesn't seem to be working.
Posted by ellishughtiger
70118
Member since Jul 2004
21135 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:08 pm to
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Decriminalized drugs (Portugese model)


As in governmentally ran crack houses where they can get free dope and a clean needle. This won't go to well with those backwoods, sister kissing law makers in your great state.

Just show them season 4 of The Wire and see if Bubs and McNulty can sit in with you.
Posted by Barneyrb
NELA
Member since May 2016
5116 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:09 pm to
I'm not an addict and never have been but I've always had this question. If a person is addicted to heroin, crack, meth, or whatever drug and you take them off of it and then put them on methadone or another drug are you giving them a crutch to come off of everything or just swapping their addiction habits to something else?

I realize the goal is to get them off of everything but like an alcoholic they have to want to help themselves before they can be helped.
Posted by AU_Right
Member since Oct 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:12 pm to
I blame the increase in heroin deaths on the DEA. They went after the doctors, the doctors quit prescribing the pills which has an identifier. That left the patient/addict 2 options...get help or buy brown Mexican shite heroin with no identifier, thus the increase in heroin and the increase in deaths. I have yet to figure out how someone can OD on pills.
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:17 pm to
My advise as a prescriber is to figure out a way to make it damn near impossible to give an opioid Rx to someone that legitimately needs it.

God forbid the state holds the abusers responsible for the problem for this issue.

It maybe an interesting subject at your meeting to discuss the pain relief needs of legitimate patients.
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