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re: "I never mentioned the word or the name Israel." -DJT
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:39 pm to mmcgrath
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:39 pm to mmcgrath
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If President Trump said the info came from Tel Aviv or Jerusalem that's saying it came from Israel.
However, I think the city President Trump named is where the ISIS forces are that the Israeli spy had infiltrated.
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So would you agree that his denial today would be ridiculous and deceptive if he said that?
No, because if all President Trump did was mention that the info came from the city where the ISIS forces are then that does not automatically mean the info came from Israel.
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Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:44 pm to Douboy
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The guy is in the Middle East making history and this is what you low life's focus on. You would rather see our country burn to the ground then give Trump any praise. Sad!
Praise for what? He has opportunity after opportunity and he can't shut his fricking loud mouth. I want him to succeed and right now is the time before the two year elections and he can't fricking shut up.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:54 pm to Martini
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Praise for what? He has opportunity after opportunity and he can't shut his fricking loud mouth. I want him to succeed and right now is the time before the two year elections and he can't fricking shut up.
You aren't paying attention to his trip, then. He is doing just fine and he has been rather quiet so far. You really don't want him to do well, though, do you?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:59 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:Because you are going off your "memory" in trying to invent facts. It was 5 days after the meeting that the news broke in the evening. It was at least a day later when Israel started getting mentioned outside of guesses.
Well, maybe it was a couple of days after President Trump met with the Russians and not the very next day but it was so soon after President Trump met with the Russians that it seemed like the very next day.
What the frick difference does it make if it was the very next day or a couple of days after President Trump met with the Russians?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:41 pm to mmcgrath
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Well, maybe it was a couple of days after President Trump met with the Russians and not the very next day but it was so soon after President Trump met with the Russians that it seemed like the very next day.
What the frick difference does it make if it was the very next day or a couple of days after President Trump met with the Russians?
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Because you are going off your "memory" in trying to invent facts. It was 5 days after the meeting that the news broke in the evening. It was at least a day later when Israel started getting mentioned outside of guesses.
Meh, I didn't remember the exact day when President Trump met with the Russians so when the presstitutes in the MSM broke the news that President Trump gave highly classified info to the Russians when he met with them, it seemed to me like it was just the day after President Trump met with the Russians or just a couple of days after President Trump met with the Russians.
If you want to paint it as me inventing facts because I was off by a few days and it was 5 days after the meeting that the news broke and a day or two later that the presstitutes in the MSM began claiming the info came from Israel then go for it.
The facts are it was just a few days (less than a week) after President Trump met with the Russians that the presstitutes in the MSM announced President Trump gave highly classified info to the Russians and a day or two later that the presstitutes in the MSM announced that Israel was the source of the info.
Now you explain to me how just mentioning the city where ISIS forces are was where the info came from exposes that Israel was the source of the info.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:45 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:If he said it came from Tel Aviv then it would be pretty damn obvious.
Now you explain to me how just mentioning the city where ISIS forces are was where the info came from exposes that Israel was the source of the info.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:50 pm to Martini
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He has opportunity after opportunity and he can't shut his fricking loud mouth. I want him to succeed and right now is the time before the two year elections and he can't fricking shut up.
A lot of people including me voted for Trump to be POTUS because we don't want him to shut up.
If you don't like it then go back to the far away galaxy where you came from.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:51 pm to Martini
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Praise for what? He has opportunity after opportunity and he can't shut his fricking loud mouth. I want him to succeed and right now is the time before the two year elections and he can't fricking shut up
Do you honestly think that he speaks off the cuff? Everything he says is calculated.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:52 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Now you explain to me how just mentioning the city where ISIS forces are was where the info came from exposes that Israel was the source of the info.
There doesn't seem to be any major Israeli newspapers denying - in fact the opposite - that the leaked intel sourced back, at least in part, to Israel.
I mean the Freudian slip of the OP all but implies Trump was briefed this intel sourced back to Israel and he just got the wires crossed on what was actually the issue at hand.
The issue with he intelligence leak is that it possibly will have uncovered the city of the ISIS source. These sources often take years to vet, establish, maintain, and keep safe. Narrowing down the possible location of the source to a single town means that intelligence source is all but cut off. The ironic thing is that other reports inside the WH suggest the real reason a bit of steam may have been let off, is that because Trump has the attention span of a gopher, so he may not of completely divulged the most compromising aspects of the intelligence.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:59 pm to mmcgrath
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Now you explain to me how just mentioning the city where ISIS forces are was where the info came from exposes that Israel was the source of the info.
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If he said it came from Tel Aviv then it would be pretty damn obvious.
Are there any ISIS forces in Tel Aviv because according to the reports I heard all that President Trump said was the name of a city where ISIS forces are?
If not then the fact is President Trump didn't say the info came from Tel Aviv.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:14 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Now you explain to me how just mentioning the city where ISIS forces are was where the info came from exposes that Israel was the source of the info.
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There doesn't seem to be any major Israeli newspapers denying - in fact the opposite - that the leaked intel sourced back, at least in part, to Israel.
How would any major Israeli newspaper know that the info came from Israel?
It seems to me the Israeli IC and some Israeli leaders would be the only ones to know whether the info came from Israel and I might have missed it but I don't remember hearing any of them admit the info came from Israel.
Just because they haven't denied the info came from Israel isn't proof the info came from Israel.
All I've heard is the presstitutes in the MSM say the info came from Israel and President Trump say he didn't say the info came from Israel.
To me that means the info may not have come from Israel.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:20 pm to bonhoeffer45
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The issue with he intelligence leak is that it possibly will have uncovered the city of the ISIS source. These sources often take years to vet, establish, maintain, and keep safe. Narrowing down the possible location of the source to a single town means that intelligence source is all but cut off.
That may or may not be true.
However, it isn't proof that the info came from Israel.
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The ironic thing is that other reports inside the WH suggest the real reason a bit of steam may have been let off, is that because Trump has the attention span of a gopher, so he may not of completely divulged the most compromising aspects of the intelligence.
Maybe you ought to stick your head up your gopher hole and see if the info came from there.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:45 pm to DawgfaninCa
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How would any major Israeli newspaper know that the info came from Israel?
It seems to me the Israeli IC and some Israeli leaders would be the only ones to know whether the info came from Israel and I might have missed it but I don't remember hearing any of them admit the info came from Israel.
You are right there is no hard confirmation, and may never be, what is not in dispute, and was my main point, is that classified stuff was leaked. Too many independent corroborating sources and Trump's own behavior makes it undeniable at this point.
How damaging it is, what the root source(s) are(what countries originated the intel) is what is still in flux. Israel is the prime suspect but a Jordanian connection has some evidence from Al Jazeera and a couple Israeli papers. Most think Israel though.
Whether it was from Israel or not isnt the root issue. It's the leaking of any top level classified intel to a country we we did not get permission from to leak to that country. Let alone one that has interests that work counter to our own and could result in compromising that secret intelligence network within ISIS.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 7:52 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Maybe you ought to stick your head up your gopher hole and see if the info came from there.
Interesting.
I hadn't realized TigerDroppings dropped their COPPA requirements and started to let children under 13 post here?
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 8:14 pm to bonhoeffer45
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I hadn't realized TigerDroppings dropped their COPPA requirements and started to let children under 13 post here?
Saying that "Trump has the attention span of a gopher" is something a child under 13 years old would say and it deserved the insulting response it got.
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The ironic thing is that other reports inside the WH suggest the real reason a bit of steam may have been let off, is that because Trump has the attention span of a gopher, so he may not of completely divulged the most compromising aspects of the intelligence.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 9:35 pm to bonhoeffer45
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what is not in dispute, and was my main point, is that classified stuff was leaked. .
I think it is inaccurate to say President Trump "leaked" any classified info to the Russians.
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Too many independent corroborating sources and Trump's own behavior makes it undeniable at this point
The only info President Trump supposedly gave the Russians which some people claim was classified is that ISIS is trying to make laptop bombs.
As other people have already pointed out, that info was already public knowledge.
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How damaging it is, what the root source(s) are(what countries originated the intel) is what is still in flux. Israel is the prime suspect but a Jordanian connection has some evidence from Al Jazeera and a couple Israeli papers. Most think Israel though.
What most people think is irrelevant.
What if President Trump, the Israeli IC and the Israeli leaders are not denying or admitting that the info came from Israel because that way the Russians will think it came from Israel instead of from the county it really came from?
After all, spreading disinformation in order to hide the truth is a classic IC tactic.
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Whether it was from Israel or not isnt the root issue. It's the leaking of any top level classified intel to a country we we did not get permission from to leak to that country. Let alone one that has interests that work counter to our own and could result in compromising that secret intelligence network within ISIS.
I understand that is the talking point being used by the sore loser lefties and Trump haters right now but Russia is also fighting ISIS so it just doesn't make sense to me Russia would do anything that would compromise the secret intelligence network within ISIS.
Explain to me why you think they would.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:56 pm to DawgfaninCa
The source of the country is not the problem.
It is the information contained within the intel that was leaked to the Russians by Trump that is of concern. Specifically the ability to work backward and identify where our allies source resides. Trump has taken to Twitter and all but admitted it happened, trying to justify it as in our national interest to disclose this intel to Russia that was not authorized to be shared. He has a right to do it legally, that doesn't make it inconsequential though.
Again, the problem is if what was disclosed can lead back to the source of our intel inside ISIS. Multiple sources to multiple outlets are concerned. When you read commentary in Israel those knowledgablet to the issue are concerned.
The other issue is that of trust. We rely heavily on allies like Israel, Jordan, NATO members, and other allied countries to provide and share vital intelligence about our adversaries. If they feel our president or this administration can not be trusted to keep that info under wraps, they may hesitate to share it in the future. Harming our ability to protect Americans and American interests. Harming our ability to fight terrorism and protect our country.
It is the information contained within the intel that was leaked to the Russians by Trump that is of concern. Specifically the ability to work backward and identify where our allies source resides. Trump has taken to Twitter and all but admitted it happened, trying to justify it as in our national interest to disclose this intel to Russia that was not authorized to be shared. He has a right to do it legally, that doesn't make it inconsequential though.
Again, the problem is if what was disclosed can lead back to the source of our intel inside ISIS. Multiple sources to multiple outlets are concerned. When you read commentary in Israel those knowledgablet to the issue are concerned.
The other issue is that of trust. We rely heavily on allies like Israel, Jordan, NATO members, and other allied countries to provide and share vital intelligence about our adversaries. If they feel our president or this administration can not be trusted to keep that info under wraps, they may hesitate to share it in the future. Harming our ability to protect Americans and American interests. Harming our ability to fight terrorism and protect our country.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 10:58 pm to AuburnTigers
quote:That's not saying a whole lot.
Smart enough to outwit every Democrat and Republican candidate in this Country
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:37 am to mmcgrath
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:52 am to bonhoeffer45
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The source of the country is not the problem.
It is the information contained within the intel that was leaked to the Russians by Trump that is of concern. Specifically the ability to work backward and identify where our allies source resides. Trump has taken to Twitter and all but admitted it happened, trying to justify it as in our national interest to disclose this intel to Russia that was not authorized to be shared. He has a right to do it legally, that doesn't make it inconsequential though.
Again, the problem is if what was disclosed can lead back to the source of our intel inside ISIS. Multiple sources to multiple outlets are concerned. When you read commentary in Israel those knowledgablet to the issue are concerned.
The other issue is that of trust. We rely heavily on allies like Israel, Jordan, NATO members, and other allied countries to provide and share vital intelligence about our adversaries. If they feel our president or this administration can not be trusted to keep that info under wraps, they may hesitate to share it in the future. Harming our ability to protect Americans and American interests. Harming our ability to fight terrorism and protect our country.
As I said before, I understand that is the talking points of the sore loser lefties and the Trump haters.
However, in this case the info was already public knowledge.
It was already in the news that ISIS was trying to make laptop bombs so President Trump didn't disclose anything new to the Russians that our enemies could backtrack or that should make our allies distrust our president or his administration.
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