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re: "I never mentioned the word or the name Israel." -DJT
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:23 pm to VOLhalla
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:23 pm to VOLhalla
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I am disturbed with Trump giving code-level intelligence to the Russian ambassador. Especially when that intelligence involves an alleged Israeli source from within ISIS and Russia being a strong ally of the Iranian regime. At best it is an embarrassingly negligent thing to do.
First of all, the "laptop bomb" story had already been in the press well before this meeting with the Russian ambassador.
Secondly, Trump did not provide details about any source or method.
Third, it was the MSM who recklessly reported it was an Israeli asset.
Fourth, McMaster, Powell, Tillerson all said they saw nothing wrong with what Trump said.
What we have here is some low level CIA Hillary supporter leaking to the NYT "OMG you won't believe what Trump did now."
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Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:27 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:29 pm to DawgsLife
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You guys keep reading the MSM and they lie and leave you twisting in the wind every time. You need to...you know...do some actual research before posting. Almost every single news outlet reported that Israel was the source of the information, and you want to play semantics. ?
You just. look. silly.
Show me one msm link that said trump said Israel....before today that is.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:30 pm to DawgsLife
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1. Can the President tell intel to anyone he chooses?
According to US law, the president can declassify information at will, but that doesn't mean it isn't damaging to US interests or that it doesn't break information sharing agreements with other nations.
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2. Does it appear as if it has damaged our relationship with Israel?
Yes. Netanyahu had to force many Israeli ministers to attend his welcome because they had planned to skip it. Several former Mossad officials are on the record saying that their former colleagues have expressed anger over the leaks. And local news outlets are also reporting that the Israeli intelligence community is unhappy.
Beyond that, it's foolish to think that other allies aren't also taking note of Trump's behavior and factoring that in to their decisions about what intel to share the US in the future.
Netanyahu sucking up to Trump means nothing. Russia has shown that sucking up to Trump gets him to reveal state secrets to you. Of course he's going to go out of his way to flatter Trump.
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3. Did the MSM come out and say that Israel was the source of the information?
What does this have to do with anything? Are you saying the media shouldn't have reported that? Russia would have been able to trace it back to Israel regardless. The fact that this incident was reported in the media is best for everyone because it removes Russia's ability to use their record of the incident to blackmail Trump.
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4. Why are your panties tied up in a knot over this?
Being critical of a president that compromises sources of intelligence is reasonable. Whining about others criticizing said president because it hurts your feelings is what's pathetic.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:32 pm to VOLhalla
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In neither one of your links did anyone claim that Trump said the intelligence came from Israel. Which is what Trump claims they did
I remember the presstitutes in the MSM saying the highly classified information President Trump gave the Russians could easily be traced back to Israel which is saying President Trump gave the Russians enough information to be able to determine where the information came from without actually having to name Israel as the source.
However, I don't understand why telling the Russians that ISIS is trying to create a laptop bomb could be easily linked back to Israel as the source of the information.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:35 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I remember the presstitutes in the MSM saying the highly classified information President Trump gave the Russians could easily be traced back to Israel which is saying President Trump gave the Russians enough information to be able to determine where the information came from without actually having to name Israel as the source.
Where did you remember this from?
What is the source of your info about Israel being named?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:37 pm to skiptumahloo
quote:It doesn't mean that it does damage US interests or it does break information sharing agreements with other nations, either. At least publicly, everything appears to be good between the US and Israel.
According to US law, the president can declassify information at will, but that doesn't mean it isn't damaging to US interests or that it doesn't break information sharing agreements with other nations.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:39 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Is English your second language?
You sure about that? He didn't have to, the news media made the claim for him.
Trump's denial was very narrow to the point it wasn't a denial of any allegation against him.
We know from reports that Trump mentioned a city. If he said the info came from Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, don't you think the "I never said Israel" denial is ridiculous and deceptive?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:56 pm to skiptumahloo
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According to US law, the president can declassify information at will, but that doesn't mean it isn't damaging to US interests or that it doesn't break information sharing agreements with other nations.
True. And Israel met Trump warmly, so I am thinking it did not break any information agreements with them.
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Yes. Netanyahu had to force many Israeli ministers to attend his welcome because they had planned to skip it. Several former Mossad officials are on the record saying that their former colleagues have expressed anger over the leaks. And local news outlets are also reporting that the Israeli intelligence community is unhappy.
Then it is a good thing that Netanyahu is in charge, then, right? he seemed perfectly at peace with trump and had nothing but good things to say. And lets not pretend the good will was all a show. I seem to remember a president that was snubbed in a most visible way when he visited the Mideast.
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What does this have to do with anything?
By their reporting it, it at least insinuates that Trump was behind their information. If it damaged any relationships because Israel was reported as the source, then that would be on the media, not Trump.
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Being critical of a president that compromises sources of intelligence is reasonable.
Not when it is within his purview to do it, it isn't. you whine because he does what is perfectly acceptable for him to do? Sounds kind of silly when it is put that way, doesn't it?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:58 pm to mmcgrath
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Is English your second language?
So your big whine about this situation is that Trump said he didn't name Israel as the source of the information?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:59 pm to mahdragonz
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I remember the presstitutes in the MSM saying the highly classified information President Trump gave the Russians could easily be traced back to Israel which is saying President Trump gave the Russians enough information to be able to determine where the information came from without actually having to name Israel as the source.
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Where did you remember this from?
From my memory of when I first heard the presstitutes on the MSM TV and radio news programs announce it the day after President Trump met with the Russians.
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What is the source of your info about Israel being named?
It was the presstitutes on the MSM TV and radio news programs that announced it the day after President Trump met with the Russians.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:01 pm to DawgfaninCa
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From my memory of when I first heard the presstitutes on the MSM TV and radio news programs announce it the day after President Trump met with the Russians.
All of those networks have names and transcripts.
Exactly what pressitute are you talking about? Besides....you know...making it it up.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:02 pm to mahdragonz
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:03 pm to mahdragonz
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All of those networks have names and transcripts.
Exactly what pressitute are you talking about? Besides....you know...making it it up.
See above. All of those outlets reported the intel came from Israel. if you need more links let me know. there are tons more!
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:05 pm to mmcgrath
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We know from reports that Trump mentioned a city. If he said the info came from Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, don't you think the "I never said Israel" denial is ridiculous and deceptive?
If President Trump said the info came from Tel Aviv or Jerusalem that's saying it came from Israel.
However, I think the city President Trump named is where the ISIS forces are that the Israeli spy had infiltrated.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:06 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:Your memory sucks.
From my memory of when I first heard the presstitutes on the MSM TV and radio news programs announce it the day after President Trump met with the Russians.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:08 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:So would you agree that his denial today would be ridiculous and deceptive if he said that?
If President Trump said the info came from Tel Aviv or Jerusalem that's saying it came from Israel.
However, I think the city President Trump named is where the ISIS forces are that the Israeli spy had infiltrated.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:11 pm to mmcgrath
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So would you agree that his denial today would be ridiculous and deceptive if he said that?
Man. A President who is deceptive!
Ok. he was deceptive. Do you feel much better now? Or does this constitute grounds for impeachment?
Riddle me this:
Was it deceptive for me to be told I could keep my health insurance and doctor?
Now, which one of these deceptive statements impacted me more?
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:21 pm to mahdragonz
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From my memory of when I first heard the presstitutes on the MSM TV and radio news programs announce it the day after President Trump met with the Russians.
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All of those networks have names and transcripts.
Exactly what pressitute are you talking about?
I heard it for several days after President Trump met with the Russians on every MSM TV and radio program but I think I first heard it from Charlie Rose and his bitches, Gayle King and Norah O'Donnell, on CBS This Morning or from Georgey boy on ABC Good Morning America.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:32 pm to mmcgrath
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From my memory of when I first heard the presstitutes on the MSM TV and radio news programs announce it the day after President Trump met with the Russians.
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Your memory sucks.
Well, maybe it was a couple of days after President Trump met with the Russians and not the very next day but it was so soon after President Trump met with the Russians that it seemed like the very next day.
What the frick difference does it make if it was the very next day or a couple of days after President Trump met with the Russians?
Are you claiming it wasn't the presstitutes in the MSM who first announced Israel was the source of the info President Trump gave the Russians?
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 5:33 pm
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