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Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:45 am to The Maj
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You talking about the specialists in Dr Andrews group that removed a needle size piece of metal that was lodged dangerously close to my spinal cord that DoD and VA specialists continuously missed and when they finally "found it" said "it is too dangerous for us to remove"?
No, I'm talking more about the specifics of care unique to veterans vs the general population. I was in no way saying that ALL VA specialists are better than ALL non-VA specialists, obviously.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:49 am to Sentrius
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It's going to take a real reformer to take a sledgehammer to that place and the fact that all 48 democrats gave him a seal of approval tells me he isn't going to get the job done, especially considering that he's a holdover from the Obama years.
While i agree with what you are saying, i don't think the Dems are against VA reform. I think they simply don't care about VA reform. It's one of those inconveniences that is more of an aggravation to them, than a priority. To the left, it's an easily overlooked "problem" that isn't an attention grabber.
So i wouldn't look too much into the voting patterns here, however, i do see what you are saying, and i do not trust the left when they are unanimously for anything. It's usually bad.
Personally, i don't really know anything about Shulkin, so i can't say if he's a good choice or not.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:52 am to BamaAtl
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No, I'm talking more about the specifics of care unique to veterans vs the general population. I was in no way saying that ALL VA specialists are better than ALL non-VA specialists, obviously.
Like I said, you "obviously" have no experience with the VA and you would be better off finding a topic that you might actually know something about. There is not a "specialty" within the VA that is better suited to treating issues specific to veterans than the private sector. But of course, I am betting you think all the advances and treatments for amputees was pioneered in the VA - sorry but that is private sector... the same goes for PTSD, otherwise if that 'VA care" was so effective the suicide rate would be much lower...
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:45 am to The Maj
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There is not a "specialty" within the VA that is better suited to treating issues specific to veterans than the private sector.
Psychiatry related to PTSD, for one.
Just because you haven't needed them doesn't mean other veterans don't. Nor does it mean that other institutions would be willing to pick up the slack for a sparse pool of patients.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 12:35 pm to BamaAtl
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Nor does it mean that other institutions would be willing to pick up the slack for a sparse pool of patients.
Nor does it mean that other institutions would NOT be willing. Actually evidence exists that completely kills your assertion.
We build entire networks based on the economics that military programs provide. However, one of the main reasons join these deeply discounted networks is a sense of patriotism. These providers want to help our vets and service members.
You don't have the answer to every question like you think you do, Mr. Bubble Boy.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Many of you answered your questions without realizing it. The federal VA is about JOBS. It employs thousands in both DC and around the country. Lots of politics involved in changing a system that employs people to provide services to one that gives the consumer a voucher to use any place they choose. It is the unfortunate political reality of the federal VA system.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:07 pm to Sentrius
Can the Dept of Ed and the VA both be eliminated in the same presidency? That would be glorious!
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:15 pm to The Maj
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There is not a "specialty" within the VA that is better suited to treating issues specific to veterans than the private sector.
I'm no fan of the VA by any stretch, but that just isn't true. Combat related mental health treatment is far better within the VA than outside of it. Some of the VA specialists I've seen were also much better than my private doctors because they have more experience with the types of injuries I have. A "voucher" system sounds nice, but would ultimately be a negative in many cases.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 1:19 pm to roadGator
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Nor does it mean that other institutions would NOT be willing.
You're not going to convince them to throw money down a well just because you're huffy at the VA this week.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 2:07 pm to BamaAtl
I just told you that it's possible to build networks on the back of patriotism. You can choose to deny my expeirence or not. I don't give a shite.
Newsflash, our service member networks are also are deepest discounted networks because that's what the military brass demand.
So, respectfully where you don't deserve respect, go pound sand or watch ICE do work.
You need the link to ICE's twitter? They are posting like mad with good news. Do you enjoy good news?
Newsflash, our service member networks are also are deepest discounted networks because that's what the military brass demand.
So, respectfully where you don't deserve respect, go pound sand or watch ICE do work.
You need the link to ICE's twitter? They are posting like mad with good news. Do you enjoy good news?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 2:08 pm to roadGator
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I just told you that it's possible to build networks on the back of patriotism.
Some networks, sure. An entire replacement for the VA, nope.
Weird that you claim to work around this and you're so unaware of the vast scope of the VA. It's almost as if you're lying.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 2:13 pm to BamaAtl
It's almost as if you are a prick that thinks he knows everything.
Please link to where I claim to work around the VA. Shouldn't be hard for you based on what you posted above.
I do spend some time at the several different VAs in the fall of most every year. Never proclaimed to be a VA service expert. I stated what I meant very plainly so that even a bubble dwelling lab rat could understand.
Please link to where I claim to work around the VA. Shouldn't be hard for you based on what you posted above.
I do spend some time at the several different VAs in the fall of most every year. Never proclaimed to be a VA service expert. I stated what I meant very plainly so that even a bubble dwelling lab rat could understand.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 2:20 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
If the VA shut down tomorrow, would these supposed specialists at the VA just give up their medical careers, or would they work in the private sector?
The ones actually providing the care will always be needed and have jobs.
Ending the VA is about getting rid of the bureaucracy: the janitors, administrators, HR dept, security guards, and on and on and on.
The ones actually providing the care will always be needed and have jobs.
Ending the VA is about getting rid of the bureaucracy: the janitors, administrators, HR dept, security guards, and on and on and on.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 3:11 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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The VA, at least the health system portion of it, needs to be disbanded and shuttered.
Every veteran could be given a top notch insurance plan for a fraction of the cost. A parallel health system is not needed.
THIS!!!!
can you imagine all the money saved from selling all the VA assets, firing all the doctors and admins and nurses and putting that money into regular insurance for vets?
heavens to betsy we wouldnt want that.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 3:19 pm to GetCocky11
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So you're unhappy with Mattis?
Are you unhappy with arithmetic?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:01 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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If the VA shut down tomorrow, would these supposed specialists at the VA just give up their medical careers, or would they work in the private sector?
There's nothing supposed about it.
I imagine they'd find other employment. Some may end up helping veterans. Most would likely not.
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Ending the VA is about getting rid of the bureaucracy: the janitors, administrators, HR dept, security guards, and on and on and on.
No it isn't. It's a political talking point from people that don't know shite. I'm all for trimming it down, but getting rid of it completely is rooted in ignorance.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
So, you seriously believe that a need (caring for vets) with a ready funding source (the government) would not be met by the free market?
Their care would improve tremendously as hospitals competed to earn their business. This would be billions of dollars of new business for private hospitals.
Private hospitals treat all kinds of complicated and rare diseases, disorders, injuries, etc. They would certainly be able to handle treating veterans.
It is nonsense to even suggest otherwise. The private market has risen up to support every need the government has ever had.
Their care would improve tremendously as hospitals competed to earn their business. This would be billions of dollars of new business for private hospitals.
Private hospitals treat all kinds of complicated and rare diseases, disorders, injuries, etc. They would certainly be able to handle treating veterans.
It is nonsense to even suggest otherwise. The private market has risen up to support every need the government has ever had.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:14 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
What is your experience with using the VHA versus private care?
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