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I don't like the fact that Shulkin was unanimously confirmed as VA Secretary

Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:10 pm
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:10 pm
Veteran affairs is a disastrous and catastrophic boondoggle and the best argument that you can make against government run healthcare. The horror stories coming out of it are too many and too disgusting to count.

It's going to take a real reformer to take a sledgehammer to that place and the fact that all 48 democrats gave him a seal of approval tells me he isn't going to get the job done, especially considering that he's a holdover from the Obama years.

All reformers worth a shite in history has always had fierce opposition to them and what they wanted to do, they didn't pride themselves on being chummy with the opposition.

I really wish Trump nominated someone else that could've inspired opposition from democrats.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51310 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:13 pm to
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I really wish Trump nominated someone else that could've inspired opposition from democrats.



So you're unhappy with Mattis?
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37665 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:17 pm to
Nothing is going to be solved for us until the incompetent entrenched bureaucrats within the VA can be fired.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:19 pm to
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So you're unhappy with Mattis?



Double digit senate democrats voted against moving Mattis confirmation out of committee, nearly all of the house democrats voted against the waiver and one senate democrat voted against his final confirmation and the hearings weren't exactly easy for him as they tried to get him to make inflammatory statements that kneecap Trump's foreign policy.

Shulkin had little to no news coverage, no opposition whatsoever for committee and final votes, and the hearings was a walk in the park as democrats didn't even bother to grill him there.
Posted by TenTex
Member since Jan 2008
15949 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:20 pm to
Yes, quite shocking that Trump might have made a good appointment.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69314 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:21 pm to
I do ont understand why we can't just give veterans vouchers/health funding payments that they can use at any private facility.

Why do we need a completely different health service for people who were in the armed forces?
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
6859 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:22 pm to
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the best argument that you can make against government run healthcare.


Then why are you upset?

Afraid it will be a successful endeavor?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26824 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:26 pm to
The VA, at least the health system portion of it, needs to be disbanded and shuttered.

Every veteran could be given a top notch insurance plan for a fraction of the cost. A parallel health system is not needed.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37665 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:28 pm to
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I do ont understand why we can't just give veterans vouchers/health funding payments that they can use at any private facility.

Why do we need a completely different health service for people who were in the armed forces?


That's what we want them to do ... they are doing it in special cases now but not enough.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:30 pm to
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Then why are you upset?

Afraid it will be a successful endeavor?


Government run healthcare will never ever be successful. Ever. At least in a country like us with the demographics, tax base, and lack of healthy lifestyles we have.

Veterans Affairs needs to be privatized or at least turned into a distribution center to give veterans vouchers and grants for private care.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27429 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:38 pm to
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Then why are you upset?

Afraid it will be a successful endeavor?


It's never been successful regardless of political appointments.

Such a red herring...
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27429 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:41 pm to
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Veterans Affairs needs to be privatized or at least turned into a distribution center to give veterans vouchers and grants for private care.


The health care portion needs to be rolled up into tricare. The only reason this health care network is in place is because its cheaper for the government to treat Vets to substandard health care. Its that simple.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:45 pm to
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Why do we need a completely different health service for people who were in the armed forces?
my GP has no expertise with PTSD. the little PT office in my town can't serve a guy with no legs or one leg.the osteopath has the right credentials but spent his whole time in the Air Force preparing for nuclear disaster and biological warfare.

Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27429 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:50 pm to
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my GP has no expertise with PTSD.


The VA doesn't do a good job with this either.

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he little PT office in my town can't serve a guy with no legs or one leg.the osteopath has the right credentials but spent his whole time in the Air Force preparing for nuclear disaster and biological warfare.



Well, these "little towns" don't have VA services in them either. They always have to travel to VA hospitals that can serve them.

The VA is a joke. I can always tell those that have never spent a minute in one or those that defend them because they work for the VA
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 11:51 pm
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67493 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:22 am to
I could fix the VA in 3 years.

Tell everyone that works for the VA there will be no raises (COL or otherwise), no TDYs, no parties, no excellent fitness reports, etc until every VA office/hospital is running at peak efficiency.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
18774 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:46 am to
I was hoping he would go with Palin after she promoted herself for it. Would be a good opportunity for her to finally put up or shut up.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21903 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:47 am to
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I do ont understand why we can't just give veterans vouchers/health funding payments that they can use at any private facility.

Why do we need a completely different health service for people who were in the armed forces?


The specialists required to deal with veterans' issues would not have capacity if the pool of patients were diluted down to the general population. Thus, the veteran population would suffer as these services would be hard to find and not as effective.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26824 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 7:53 am to
Because they don't need to. All of those people go to the VA. If the VA were to close, where do you think all of the doctors and nurses would go?

There are many specialties way more complicated than PTSD that regular hospitals handle.
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13499 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:06 am to
Dims cannot politically slow down veterans nomination. If the nominee can walk and chew gum and has a body temperature above ambient their in.

But DNC silence is ominous in its rarity!
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27166 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 8:06 am to
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The specialists required to deal with veterans' issues would not have capacity if the pool of patients were diluted down to the general population. Thus, the veteran population would suffer as these services would be hard to find and not as effective


You talking about the specialists in Dr Andrews group that removed a needle size piece of metal that was lodged dangerously close to my spinal cord that DoD and VA specialists continuously missed and when they finally "found it" said "it is too dangerous for us to remove"?

You really need to STFU when you have no idea what you are talking about. You know what happens to "good" doctors in the DoD system? They get the frick out of the DoD system as soon as their commitment is up... I am not certain I have ever seen what I would consider to be a "good" doctor in the VA system, they are in that system because they suck to begin with...
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