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re: Hobby Lobby ruling expected tomorrow--all eyes on Roberts
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:35 am to GeorgeWest
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:35 am to GeorgeWest
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Can the court possibly rule that a corporaTION can use the beliefs of a majority of the owners to deny basic human rights to its employees?
Healthcare is NOT a right.
It is like food and water, two things even more intrinsic to sustaining life...a COMMODITY.
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:35 am to Lsut81
In. This is a big day for HR Execs. (Rest of America, too, but I have no control over them 
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)Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:35 am to Lsut81
Yes. Reverse seniority. But, if Roberts has both opinions, obviously he chooses which comes first.
Hobby Lobby will be the last ruling of the term.
Hobby Lobby will be the last ruling of the term.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:36 am to LSUGrrrl
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This is a big day for HR Execs.
Do you really think that companies will go back and drop BC coverage from their plans if this ruling goes in favor of Hobby Lobby?
I really don't see it affecting that many companies in the grand scheme of things.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:37 am to Lsut81
Yeah, this isn't a big ruling at all IMO.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:38 am to Lsut81
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This is a big day for HR Execs.
Do you really think that companies will go back and drop BC coverage from their plans if this ruling goes in favor of Hobby Lobby?
I really don't see it affecting that many companies in the grand scheme of things.
The main people it effects are Chik-fil-a, hobby lobby, religious private schools, non-profit organizations, and religion affiliated hospitals.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:38 am to Lsut81
No, I don't. It s more about the legal argument.
ETA: Perhaps it's an intellectual exercise but the profession is very, very interested in the outcome. And there are colleges, hospitals and some private businesses that are affected.
ETA: Perhaps it's an intellectual exercise but the profession is very, very interested in the outcome. And there are colleges, hospitals and some private businesses that are affected.
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 8:40 am
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:39 am to Rickety Cricket
It will set a pretty significant precedent fundamentally
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:40 am to GeorgeWest
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If Hobby LObby can refuse contraception coverage in the insurance it makes available to its employees,
Hobby Lobby covers contraception. They do not want to cover certain forms of contraception.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:40 am to ManBearTiger
Depending on how they rule. People always seem to think it about who wins and who loses, but it's really more about what rule the court crafts. A narrow ruling usually has little precedential ramifications.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:41 am to FalseProphet
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Yes. Reverse seniority. But, if Roberts has both opinions, obviously he chooses which comes first. Hobby Lobby will be the last ruling of the term.
Correct. Since there are only a few left, it's not a good measure. But if there are a lot of opinions, you can gauge how it's going to go by the authors of the opinions in the earlier cases (w/ the CJ having the prerogative to be last [even if not longest serving])
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:43 am to udtiger
Are you reaffirming my knowledge about how the SCOTUS works like there was even a question?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:43 am to udtiger
And my guess is that the ruling will be for Hobby Lobby, but will be written in some obfuscatory fashion so as to limit the scope of the ruling, making it of much less importance.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:44 am to I B Freeman
One key point. Hobby Lobby isn't fighting ALL contraceptives, just the emergency contraceptives which they deem to be abortion. The morning after pills mostly.
I think their stance is a bit hypocritical given that they most assuredly stock their shelves and profit off items from China, a country with forced and government sanctioned abortion. Though that's neither here nor there.
I too think they will find in favor of Hobby Lobby, and I think it is a dangerous precedent.
I think their stance is a bit hypocritical given that they most assuredly stock their shelves and profit off items from China, a country with forced and government sanctioned abortion. Though that's neither here nor there.
I too think they will find in favor of Hobby Lobby, and I think it is a dangerous precedent.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:44 am to FalseProphet
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Depending on how they rule. People always seem to think it about who wins and who loses, but it's really more about what rule the court crafts. A narrow ruling usually has little precedential ramifications.
Right, however by having the ability to say "a big setback for Obamacare" or "a big win for religious freedom" carries a big stick in the political arena.
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 8:46 am
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:45 am to FalseProphet
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Are you reaffirming my knowledge about how the SCOTUS works like there was even a question?
No. I was just putting a little more meat on it and explaining how it can be a way to predict a ruling on the day opinions are issued if there are a good # of opinions. Of course, when the Obamacare ruling came down, that was a real kick in the balls.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:47 am to The Spleen
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I too think they will find in favor of Hobby Lobby, and I think it is a dangerous precedent.
How? Because people might get to run their businesses how they want to?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:50 am to Tigerlaff
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quote:I too think they will find in favor of Hobby Lobby, and I think it is a dangerous precedent. How? Because people might get to run their businesses how they want to?
Interesting how such a ruling would jibe with the recent state decisions forcing businesses to provide services for gay weddings (baker, photographer) against religious beliefs?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:51 am to Tigerlaff
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How? Because people might get to run their businesses how they want to?
Because I think it COULD open the door for businesses to decide their religion allows them freedom from other laws. Not saying it will definitely happen, but it could.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:54 am to The Spleen
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Because I think it COULD open the door for businesses to decide their religion allows them freedom from other laws. Not saying it will definitely happen, but it could.
That's the key word.
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