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re: Give me one good reason why marijuana should be illegal while alcohol shouldn't
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:30 am to The Spleen
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:30 am to The Spleen
I was a bit too caustic in my remarks. Medical marijuana has some limited efficacy for specific use. The one you mentioned, appetite during chemo, seems to be the most supported by data. As such, moving it to a class 2 would make sense. It has very limited success in pain control simply because smoking isn't a good way to control dosing and the amount of marijuana needed to control pain would necessitate smoking almost constantly.
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:31 am to the808bass
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because smoking isn't a good way to control dosing and the amount of marijuana needed to control pain would necessitate smoking almost constantly.
i am saddened to learn that the only way to ingest THC is via smoking
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
It's not. But it's the reason people argue for medical marijuana.
Eta: by that I mean that the NORML folks and the Internet message board pundits argue for smoking joints to control pain. It doesn't really make sense to do that. Tell them that THC in pill form will be a good pain reliever to investigate further and they're not nearly as excited. But it's a good shell game.
Eta: by that I mean that the NORML folks and the Internet message board pundits argue for smoking joints to control pain. It doesn't really make sense to do that. Tell them that THC in pill form will be a good pain reliever to investigate further and they're not nearly as excited. But it's a good shell game.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 9:36 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:43 am to the808bass
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Tell them that THC in pill form will be a good pain reliever to investigate further and they're not nearly as excited.
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by that I mean that the NORML folks and the Internet message board pundits
link me
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:47 am to the808bass
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Tell them that THC in pill form will be a good pain reliever to investigate further and they're not nearly as excited
It does come in pill form- Marinol. It's used as an appetite stimulant. It's inferior to other appetite stimulants, particularly megace I believe, but it does work. I can pull a study or two later if anyone cares to read it and doesn't feel like Google/pub med-Ing the source.
It also gets the patients a little high. Previous marijuana users tolerate it well. People who never partook don't like it because they hate the feeling it gives them (anecdotal).
I don't think it's unreasonable to use it medically. But anyone who prescribes people to smoke it is doing their patients more harm than good, most likely (unnecessary risk). The side effect profile of eating/swallowing/oral formulations really isn't bad at all, aside from some mental slowing (see my first post in the thread). The measured positive effects in comparisons have come up short of alternatives in pretty much all studies that I've seen. It's an OK drug. But there are better ones for just about every indication that also don't get you high. For some people, that makes it an inferior choice. For others, a superior one.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:50 am to Hopeful Doc
Is Marinol a synthetic THC or is it true THC? I've actually taken one and the high was quite different than smoking marijuana. It made me much more anxious than any time I had smoked it.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:04 am to The Spleen
I believe it's a synthetic THC (can't confirm with a link but I'll look harder later), but the chemical itself is identical. If your complaint is anxiety, I would imagine that you aren't used to unopposed THC- marijuana plants have probably 50-60 different cannabinoids that have been identified. The two biggest players are THC (pro-psychotic/causes anxiety) and CBD (opposed effects of THC, basically. Forgive the absolute most basic-ness of this explanation). The THC without CBD could very well explain feelings you had.
Please don't confuse synthetic THC with synthetic marijuana or synthetic cannabinoids. It's a lab-created version of the same thing. Not a synthetic analog used to get around the law restricting known cannabinoids from being consumed. The former acts like natural THC. The latter uses the same receptors in a different way- essentially the difference between ultram and fentanyl/heroin/morphine. Same receptors in the body with very different effects.
Please don't confuse synthetic THC with synthetic marijuana or synthetic cannabinoids. It's a lab-created version of the same thing. Not a synthetic analog used to get around the law restricting known cannabinoids from being consumed. The former acts like natural THC. The latter uses the same receptors in a different way- essentially the difference between ultram and fentanyl/heroin/morphine. Same receptors in the body with very different effects.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:33 am to the808bass
Marinol is not a good pain reliever because THC isn't the primary analgesic compound and because oral cannabis has unpredictable dose lengths and is very tough to titrate.
If you want a refined version that might have actual potential, you're looking at Sativex.
If you want a refined version that might have actual potential, you're looking at Sativex.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 10:33 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:41 am to reverendotis
quote:You do know breathalyzers are only "local indicators" too, right? They're supposed to allow the police to draw blood and that is the evidence.
Read your links. Even the one with a local indicator requires it to be sent to a lab for verification.
Then states specifically modified the statutory requirement to specify the breath as sufficient, in which case those statutes could also be modified to do the same for saliva THC. Both would be bad science, but lots of DUI law is bad science.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 10:46 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:31 pm to benhamin5555
Whether its a good reason or not, it probably has to do with alcoholic beverages being the only potable source of hydration in the past. Supposedly, certain styles of her were the only nutrition for some during harsh winters. It was also a form of currency at times.
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