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re: Founder of Fusion GPS/Pissgate dossier to plead FIF @ Senate hearing Wed
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:35 pm to BeeFense5
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:35 pm to BeeFense5
quote:As someone who ran a campaign and has been involved in others I find this stuff interesting. Why are you constantly posting about it as if the investigation is personally affecting you?
It's going to be hilarious when this turns up nothing and you wasted months of your life obsessing over something that doesn't affect your every day life either way.
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Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:39 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
We have evidence of the senior leaders of the Trump campaign in a meeting with a foreign national where the intention was to receive information to help their campaign.
Ok, you got us.
Now explain Hillary meeting with the Ukrainians for the same reason.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:41 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
Coordinating with a foreign national in a us election is a felony, not some small civil violation. It's not the same as treason, but it is serious enough by itself.
Did you feel the same with Obama's team? I bet you did not.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:41 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
As someone who ran a campaign and has been involved in others I find this stuff interesting. Why are you constantly posting about it as if the investigation is personally affecting you?
As someone who has "run a campaign", you should understand intimately how McCarthyism for the sake of undermining a duly elected president, can tear apart the fabric of the Republic. Was hillary really worth launching us back into the cold war?
Getting rid of this type of Chicago style shite at the federal level will be like trying to unscrew a pregnant woman. Its shite like this that gave us Trump in the first place.
Congrats on ruining the frick out of everything.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:42 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
We have evidence of the senior leaders of the Trump campaign in a meeting with a foreign national where the intention was to receive information to help their campaign.
We also know that the meeting was not disclosed, then denied, then lied about. That is evidence as well.
And it's not illegal.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:50 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
Coordinating with a foreign national in a us election is a felony, not some small civil violation. It's not the same as treason, but it is serious enough by itself.
well i'm giving the worst interpretation of the facts and law for a discussion about the policy and situation in general (just like i directly tied HRC's campaign to their potential issues). i don't see how HRC can avoid the same issues, and "she paid for it" is a pretty insane stance (for the policy, i'm not talking about reality)
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
By my understanding the best case for FEC violations in the Russia case may be improper "coordination" between a campaign and non-campaign actors. Had Jr., Manafort, and Kushner taken a meeting to get oppo directly from a pro-Trump super-PAC they'd be in violation of FECA so long as the court would deem that oppo a "thing of value". Then there's the specific prohibition about taking things of value from foreign nationals or governments.
The piece of federal law more relevant to GPS Fusion is the Foreign Agents Registration Act which requires people (foreign and American) who are lobbying or otherwise acting on behalf of foreign governments to register or else be potentially liable to other national security law protecting us from espionage. Flynn and Manafort have registered as foreign agents under FARA after having gotten themselves in legal trouble, likely to mitigate their legal exposure.
Grassley is alleging Fusion may have violated FARA. As others have mentioned, Fusion GPS worked with Veselnitskaya on Magnitsky in the past. Fusion denies working with her on any of this Hillary oppo, but the Trump legal team is trying to allege it.
Good story in the Post if you want to get into the weeds.
WaPo, 7.11.17
The piece of federal law more relevant to GPS Fusion is the Foreign Agents Registration Act which requires people (foreign and American) who are lobbying or otherwise acting on behalf of foreign governments to register or else be potentially liable to other national security law protecting us from espionage. Flynn and Manafort have registered as foreign agents under FARA after having gotten themselves in legal trouble, likely to mitigate their legal exposure.
Grassley is alleging Fusion may have violated FARA. As others have mentioned, Fusion GPS worked with Veselnitskaya on Magnitsky in the past. Fusion denies working with her on any of this Hillary oppo, but the Trump legal team is trying to allege it.
Good story in the Post if you want to get into the weeds.
WaPo, 7.11.17
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:53 pm to bamarep
quote:When did Hillary meet with Ukrainian representatives to discuss the elections?
Now explain Hillary meeting with the Ukrainians for the same reason.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:54 pm to mmcgrath
Now you're just being intellectually dishonest here bruh.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:55 pm to bamarep
quote:McWant.
Now you're just being intellectually dishonest here bruh.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I agree that the law should be tightened up. The Steele memo was the first thing I thought of when I heard about the documents left behind as well.
well i'm giving the worst interpretation of the facts and law for a discussion about the policy and situation in general (just like i directly tied HRC's campaign to their potential issues). i don't see how HRC can avoid the same issues, and "she paid for it" is a pretty insane stance (for the policy, i'm not talking about reality)
Good discussion on it with you. Need more of that here. Unfortunately the MButterfly crowd has gotten an alert.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 12:57 pm to bamarep
quote:
Memo to the retards at the DOJ, this probably means said individual IS HIDING SOMETHING ILLEGAL. Hint Hint Hint
Ha, re the 'Deep Staters' at DOJ taking hints, br. Hell, the classic/academic indicator of whether or not a potential defendant is guilty or not is be whether they give up evidence...or destroy it. Hillary hid/destroyed out the wazoo...and Comey found her not guilty..."no intent to commit crime".
That Bunch has entered the clinical psychoses realm of self-delusion. For the 'Cause'...of course.
Regardless, this GPS thing is a can of worms for Dems; it will be ONE of the issues which brings Meuller/Comey down. Lest Meuller go the honest route...which I'd bet the farm he won't. Too many 'Buds' would go down. The whole Group can go to hell. They deserve it.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 5:51 pm to mmcgrath
[When did Hillary meet with Ukrainian representatives to discuss the elections?]
Following that logic, when did Jr. meet w/ Russians to discuss the elections?
They both were there to discuss the dirt they could dig up on the other. Only difference is Hillary's camp paid for the oppo research they got & Trump's camp walked away w/ little to no exchange of information.
Following that logic, when did Jr. meet w/ Russians to discuss the elections?
They both were there to discuss the dirt they could dig up on the other. Only difference is Hillary's camp paid for the oppo research they got & Trump's camp walked away w/ little to no exchange of information.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 6:16 pm to Deuces
quote:
other news, Donald Trump was seen this morning with Russian salad dressing. I'm Wolf Blitzer
Donald Trump and former GE executive Jack Welch went horseback riding today. Mr. Welch was having trouble dismounting so Trump helped Jack off his horse.
I'm Wolf Blitzer and this is CNN.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 6:26 pm to billyholawboy
quote:
[When did Hillary meet with Ukrainian representatives to discuss the elections?]
Following that logic, when did Jr. meet w/ Russians to discuss the elections?
They both were there to discuss the dirt they could dig up on the other. Only difference is Hillary's camp paid for the oppo research they got & Trump's camp walked away w/ little to no exchange of information.
Last June.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 8:00 pm to bamarep
Intradasting.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 8:12 pm to bamarep
quote:You asked about Hillary meeting with Ukrainians to discuss the elections. Since I am not an avid reader of Infowars I had no idea what you were talking about. Maybe you should make your case.
Now you're just being intellectually dishonest here bruh.
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