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Fed. Appeals Court Upholds Travel Ban Block

Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:11 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:11 pm
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Federal appeals court upholds block on Trump's travel ban: NBC News
CNBC.com staff | @CNBC
Breaking News

A federal appeals court has upheld the nationwide block of President Donald Trump's executive order restricting travel from several predominantly Muslim countries, NBC News reported.

The ruling came from the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals.

It upholds the suspension of a revised version of the executive order that the Trump administration crafted to better hold up to legal scrutiny than an earlier version.

This story is developing. Please check back for further updates.

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This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 1:14 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:12 pm to
Good. Send it to the Supremes where it will be easy as pie.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:12 pm to
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69313 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:12 pm to
onto the supreme court.

Should be an easy decision.
Posted by ztownbird
Trump, USA
Member since Oct 2012
991 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:13 pm to
No doubt.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:13 pm to
Unfortunately, SCOTUS is going to hold the ban violates the establishment clause in a per curiam. Book it.
Posted by Iosh
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18941 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:13 pm to
Hell yeah we've finally got an opinion that digs into the statutory issues instead of bullshite 1A arguments, thanks 4th circuit

EDIT: Ah crap no we don't. Oh well!
This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 1:15 pm
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:13 pm to
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onto the supreme court.


if trump takes it there.
quote:

Should be an easy decision.


Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:13 pm to
Gee, who saw this coming? SCOTUS will reverse this. I don't know why Trump didn't request an expedited hearing anyway and bypass the Appeals.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41690 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:14 pm to
Hopefully reason will win out on this one when it gets appealed.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:14 pm to
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onto the supreme court.
Posted by WHS
walker LA.
Member since Feb 2006
3112 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

Good. Send it to the Supremes where it will be easy as pie.


Yea once the supreme court rules it legal, trump can ban anyone from any country unless of course they are a green card holder etc.
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
1 room down from Erin Andrews
Member since May 2004
23316 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:14 pm to
Hopefully no American dies because of their incompetence.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146956 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

Circuit Court Upholds Block on Trump's Travel Ban

Of the 13 judges on the panel, three were appointed by Republican presidents and nine were appointed by Democrats

The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld a halt on enforcing the Trump administration's so-called travel ban, NBC's Pete Williams reported Thursday.

The ban sought to suspend the nation's refugee program and temporarily bar new visas for citizens of Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

A federal judge in Maryland who blocked the travel ban in March cited Trump's comments as evidence that the executive order is a realization of Trump's repeated promise to bar Muslims from entering the country.

LINK
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57458 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:14 pm to
i do not understand anything you just said.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21898 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

Should be an easy decision.




Agreed. Good to see that it as so shoddily-written as to make courts have no concern keeping it barred.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123951 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:17 pm to
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onto the supreme court.

Should be an easy decision.
Maybe.
But not necessarily to reinstate the ban.

Purpose of the ban was to allow time for us to assess risk. That proposed time will have passed. So this will be an "on the principle of the thing" argument.

IMO, Sessions should have moved the thing emergently to SCOTUS when it was first blocked.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35412 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:18 pm to
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Gee, who saw this coming? SCOTUS will reverse this. I don't know why Trump didn't request an expedited hearing anyway and bypass the Appeals.
Unlikely SCOTUS hears it before November at this point. The first question will be whether the admin finished their studies that were only supposed to take 90 days.
Posted by FalseProphet
Mecca
Member since Dec 2011
11707 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:22 pm to
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Unfortunately, SCOTUS is going to hold the ban violates the establishment clause in a per curiam. Book it.


Why would you think that? If they are going to affirm, it will be after full briefing an argument. They don't affirm in summary per curiams.

Summary affirmances only (rarely) come in cases where they have appellate, not cert, jurisdiction.

And why would you think they would decide a hugely important establishment clause issue in a summary opinion?
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32877 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 1:22 pm to
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Even more, flowing from EO-2 is the alleged state-sanctioned message that foreign-born Muslims, a group to which Doe #1 belongs, are “outsiders, not full members of the political community.” Moss, 683 F.3d at 607 (quoting McCreary, 545 U.S. at 860).

Doe #1 explains how the Second Executive Order has caused him to fear for his personal safety in this country and wonder whether he should give up his career in the United States and return to Iran to be with his wife. J.A. 306.

This harm is consistentwith the “[f]eelings of marginalization and exclusion” injury we recognized in Moss. 683 F.3d at 607. In light of these two injuries, we find that Doe #1 has had “personal contact with the alleged establishment of religion.” Suhre, 131 F.3d at 1086.

Regardless of whether EO-2 actually violates the Establishment Clause’s command not to disfavor a particular religion, a merits inquiry explored in Section IV.A, his injuries are on par with, if not
greater than, injuries we previously deemed sufficient in this context. See Moss, 683 F.3d at 607 (finding Jewish daughter and father who received letter describing public school policy of awarding academic credit for private, Christian religious instruction suffered injury in part because they were made to feel like “‘outsiders’ in their own community”


So because this Muslim got his feelings hurt, we all have to deal with the continued flow of immigrants from countries that share zero values with the United States, have repeatedly shown to foster terrorists, and have no means or infrastructure to provide sufficient vetting. Nice.
This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 1:31 pm
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