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Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:27 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Because that's not the issue.
Still none of you guys can explain why one packet of traffic should be more important than another.
The issue is one packet of information costs less to provide the infrastructure for than 10,000,000,000 packets of information.
It's the AMOUNT of data that costs more, not the CONTENT of the data.
It's been a similar issue for cellular data usage for years. I don't see cellular providers limiting the content of free expression of ideas.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:28 am to ShortyRob
quote:
You use terms like "more important" that are literally irrelevant.
You don't understand what prioritizing traffic means then.
quote:
Because I support free markets.
ummm then you should want all traffic to be equal...
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:28 am to Centinel
Yes.
Why does it matter?
Why does it matter?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:28 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Because I support free markets.
Well, you think you do, but you don’t. You support the Big Six. They will neuter the free market and all competition. It will for sure be the death of the independent creator and certainly YouTube.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:29 am to DarthRebel
quote:
Free market will balance it out.
Explain to me how?
If tomorrow Cox and ATT decided to charge $1200 a month for acess to all blog sites, or decided Fox News is free with all subscribers but CNN costs an extra 200 per month for users and CNN itself has to pay Cox $200 and it still runs slower with less bandwidth than Fox, how would the free market punish them?
Explain it.
If Cox decides it will allow you access to certain sites but not others, how do you let the free market change that?
You can't just start a new ISP. That's not how it works. And in many places you only have 1 or 2 choices for an ISP
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:32 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:29 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
what a facile understanding of what a free market is.
You are being kind
You and I have been involved in this discussion before.
It's just staggering how little the average American understands about markets and economics.
But it's even more staggering how little they care to solve their ignorance.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:29 am to LSURussian
quote:
Because that's not the issue. The issue is one packet of information costs less to provide the infrastructure for than 10,000,000,000 packets of information. It's the AMOUNT of data that costs more, not the CONTENT of the data. It's been a similar issue for cellular data usage for years. I don't see cellular providers limiting the content of free expression of ideas.
So now you are talking data caps.
If you are pro data cap you really have no idea wtf you talking about. Data caps do nothing to improve the network.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:30 am to Breesus
quote:
Explain to me how? If tomorrow Cox and ATT decided to charge $1200 a month for acess to all blog sites, how would the free market punish them? Explain it.
I swear to God.
frick Public Education with a 14 foot dildo.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:30 am to Breesus
quote:
Explain to me how? If tomorrow Cox and ATT decided to charge $1200 a month for acess to all blog sites, or decided Fox News is free with all subscribers but CNN costs an extra 200 per month, how would the free market punish them?
Exactly
quote:
Explain it.
They can't.....
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:30 am to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:
Yes.
You pay for Kodi? What exactly are you paying for considering it's a free open source application?\
quote:
Why does it matter?
Because it's biggest use is to stream "free" programming. And by "free" I mean pirated.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:31 am to StraightCashHomey21
I really am amazed some people are in favor of this. 
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:31 am to OMLandshark
quote:Oh. I do. I can't help that you don't understand them.
Well, you think you do, but you don’t.
That's a you problem.
quote:
They will neuter the free market and all competition.
I swear to God. You frickers are reincarnated from like 1910 and have learned NOTHING!!!
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:31 am to Halftrack
I want my ISP to act as a dumb pipe. That is what I PAY them for. I do not want my ISP putting Netflix out of business just because they mad they didn't think of Netflix's model first.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:32 am to Breesus
quote:
If tomorrow Cox and ATT decided to charge $1200 a month for acess to all blog sites, or decided Fox News is free with all subscribers but CNN costs an extra 200 per month, how would the free market punish them?
That would be considered illegal under current anti-trust law.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:32 am to Centinel
quote:
quote: Say an ISP stumbles across the Poliboard and doesn't like its right leaning ways. Well guess what lets slow it down. You honestly think this is going to happen? C'mon man
They wont need to throttle it. They could simply not provide it.
For me, the biggest issue here is the censorship. ISPs will be allowed to decide what parts of the internet you can view with no input from the consumer. Then ask yourself, are the major ISPs right leaning or left leaning?
If we want free trade fine. I am all for it. I am saying this is not the way to do it. We need a different solution.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:32 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Well. I mean yeah. I admit.
They can't.....
I can't digest all of economic history and how businesses respond in competitive markets for you into one or two TD posts.
I also can't explain Physics to an 8th grader on TD in a concise manner either.
This doesn't mean the 8th grader's understanding of physics is correct.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:33 am to Centinel
You pay for all that pirated porn you watch?
Don't act holier than thou. I pay for Kodi by paying for the internet. Kodi chooses not to charge me for content they provide.
Kodi is a group of websites no different than YouTube, google, Facebook, tigerdroppings or GASP pornhub!
Don't act holier than thou. I pay for Kodi by paying for the internet. Kodi chooses not to charge me for content they provide.
Kodi is a group of websites no different than YouTube, google, Facebook, tigerdroppings or GASP pornhub!
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:36 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:34 am to Breesus
quote:If you actually think this scenario wouldn't result in either those companies losing massive amounts of their subscribers (the "market" reacting to their price increase) and/or to an immediate explosion in the number of ISP competitors undercutting their prices, then you're just not very bright.
If tomorrow Cox and ATT decided to charge $1200 a month for acess to all blog sites, or decided Fox News is free with all subscribers but CNN costs an extra 200 per month, how would the free market punish them?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:34 am to AUstar
quote:
I want my ISP to act as a dumb pipe. That is what I PAY them for.
No, you pay them for whatever service they decide to provide you. Your only say in the matter is whether you decide to pay for their service or not.
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