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re: Faith in "Science" = "man made religion" (Evolution related)

Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by DawgfaninCa
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:10 pm to
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Well you're just an idiot then. You might as well be saying that digestion is food. It's not.


We're not talking about food or digestion.

We're talking about how something can change into something else over time.
Posted by SundayFunday
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:13 pm to
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What is the difference between adaptation and evolution?



Adaptations are what individual organisms have, like longer beaks, darker fur, lighter skin, better oxygen carrying capacity, etc. Evolution is the change in a population over time.

So basically evolution is a collection of adaptations at the POPULATION level over a period of time.
Posted by HeadChange
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:13 pm to
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We're talking about how something can change into something else over time.

This isn't what you've been arguing though
Posted by SundayFunday
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:14 pm to
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We're talking about how something can change into something else over time.


Its called Speciation.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:20 pm to
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do you not understand logic? 

a + b will always equal b + a. Every single time.


Depends on what set we're using
Posted by DawgfaninCa
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:25 pm to
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Nobody believes that life "evolved" from non-life...


Most scientists believe that a mixture of non-living amino acids evolved into some form of life over a period of time.
Posted by HeadChange
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:29 pm to
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Most scientists believe that a mixture of non-living amino acids evolved into some form of life over a period of time.

Ahh, abiogensis, not evolution.

First rule of hole digging..if you're in a hole, quit digging.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:31 pm to
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Most scientists believe that a mixture of non-living amino acids evolved into some form of life over a period of time.


Evolution requires a living biological precursor for natural selection to act upon. By definition evolution cannot be used to describe life coming from non-life...which is why there exists a separate idea called abiogenesis.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:32 pm to
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Depends on what set we're using


I'm confused

a + b will always equal b + a

if a = 1
and b = 2

a + b = 3
b + a = 3

you can't have a different a in one equation than the other than it would be a + b and than b + c or c+a
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:40 pm to
It's because you're using real numbers.

It didn't always apply outside of real numbers, or for matrices, etc.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:40 pm to
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This isn't what you've been arguing though


Yes, it is.


All I have done is follow evolution backwards to the beginning of life and state there is no evidence that life evolved from non-life even though some people have blind faith that it did.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:47 pm to
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All I have done is follow evolution backwards to the beginning of life and state there is no evidence that life evolved from non-life even though some people have blind faith that it did.



Do you realize that MANY people, believers and non-believers alike, accept evolution but reject abiogenesis?
Posted by HeadChange
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:48 pm to
Again... Evolution takes over when life exists, not when it doesn't. I'll ask again, how dense are you? Are you the same guy that thinks the government would be responsible for your daughter becoming a prostitute?
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:56 pm to

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Evolution requires a living biological precursor for natural selection to act upon. By definition evolution cannot be used to describe life coming from non-life...which is why there exists a separate idea called abiogenesis.



So scientists gave their original starting point of evolution of life from non-life a special name.

That doesn't change their claim that life evolved from non-life.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 7:02 pm
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 6:58 pm to
You don't understand what it means to evolve, its really that simple.
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:02 pm to
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Do you realize that MANY people, believers and non-believers alike, accept evolution but reject abiogenesis?



Can science really explain the origins of life? I'd like to hear it?
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:08 pm to
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You don't understand what it means to evolve, its really that simple.


Sure I do. You just have no evidence that life evolved from non-life.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:08 pm to
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Can science really explain the origins of life?


Yes, abiogenesis is a very plausible explanation whose mechanism has been demonstrated multiple times with multiple different controls in the lab.

That doesn't mean we have nearly the extensive evidence for origins that we do for evolution (which is considered undisputed in principle in the scientific community) but that we have a very good working idea of what very well could have occurred.

What science still struggles with is the origins of matter and the universe, but that is a physics question not a biological one.
Posted by Love me some Les
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:08 pm to
Ken Hamm on that really well
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 7:09 pm to
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You just have no evidence that life evolved from non-life.


By definition life cannot evolve from non-life, because evolution requires a living precursor. Nothing that happens prior to life existing is evolution.
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