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re: ESPN's Public Editor admits moving left has hurt ratings (Scary Quote Inside!)
Posted on 11/18/16 at 9:12 am to PowerTool
Posted on 11/18/16 at 9:12 am to PowerTool
I agree with the live sports comment. Why the hell does a sports network need to make political statements? Or a spice company? Or PepsiCo? Come on, just shut up and sell your products and services.
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 9:32 am to Bourre
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I don't watch ESPN unless there is a game on
Yet you still pay the premium subscription prices.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 9:38 am to CaptainZappin
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Why the hell does a sports network need to make political statements?
well when ESPN got into the rhetoric game with PTI, they had a big ratings increase and new market. that kind of transformed ESPN into a commentary machine. they also started really targeting the black demographics. at a certain point, it was natural that they'd try to move into political discussion to potentially expand into a new market and to play towards their demos
this push has backfired
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Interesting. Focusing on the "SCARY" part, if "right and wrong" are taken to mean ethics/morality, then you (and Shapiro and I guess most people in this thread) seem to be saying that either "right and wrong" don't exist, or that "right and wrong" exist in some way(s), but that "right and wrong" are too obscure/indeterminate to discern. I'd like to see people explicitly state what their position is on this.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:17 pm to inadaze
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Interesting. Focusing on the "SCARY" part, if "right and wrong" are taken to mean ethics/morality, then you (and Shapiro and I guess most people in this thread) seem to be saying that either "right and wrong" don't exist, or that "right and wrong" exist in some way(s), but that "right and wrong" are too obscure/indeterminate to discern. I'd like to see people explicitly state what their position is on this.
Right and wrong is ALWAYS subjective, to one degree or another. In the sense that Hill is talking, ie politics, it is 100% subjective and to have that position in the context she is using it is utterly fascist.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:22 pm to johnnyrocket
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Again until I see events like these their audience I can safely say is conservative.
You are correct but they thought the best way to expand their audience (blacks, Hispanics, women, and men who don't watch sports) was to tack left and get on the social justice soapbox.
While they may have succeeded in roping in the black and Hispanic and female demos, they ended up losing far more of their actual base, conservative white men. They took one step forward and two steps back
Also ESPN is a bubble. I worked for the radio branch for a few years. The ESPN studio in Bristol is a hive mind of leftist ideology that permeates the northeast
Posted on 11/18/16 at 3:36 pm to Fun Bunch
You seem to be saying that your view is a kind of subjective nihilism.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 3:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I would challenge those people who say they feel suppressed. Do you fear backlash, or do you fear right and wrong?”
That is SJW summed up right there. When these keyboard warrior nutjobs get people fired and ruin their lives for saying something off color, they justify it by saying the world has changed and now people have to be held accountable in a way they weren't in the past. You should post this on the MSB, too.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 3:42 pm to inadaze
inadaze, you can twist this anyway your liberal self wants. But anyone who has caught J.Hill's commentary before, this goes right to her core beliefs, the core beliefs of most liberals: she knows best & does not hesitate to tell everyone else just how "right" she is because she is a liberal.Study her past, this is just another example of who & what she is.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 3:44 pm to Fun Bunch
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Right and wrong is ALWAYS subjective, to one degree or another
If I walked up to you in the street and threw acid in your face, would that be right or wrong?
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 11/18/16 at 3:48 pm to inadaze
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Interesting. Focusing on the "SCARY" part, if "right and wrong" are taken to mean ethics/morality, then you (and Shapiro and I guess most people in this thread) seem to be saying that either "right and wrong" don't exist, or that "right and wrong" exist in some way(s), but that "right and wrong" are too obscure/indeterminate to discern.
naw
using this elevated, allegedly objective status of an opinion (as being absolutely right and without any quesiton) to silence opposition, inquiry, or discussion, is purely authoritarian mularkey.
it summarizes bubble thinking, and the SJW mindset is one big echo chamber/bubble
Posted on 11/18/16 at 3:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think folks are tired of being lectured by the inflated egos on tv and don't appreciate how this has infected every entertainment medium they once enjoyed. Not even sports or vidya can escape these constant browbeatings from people who think they matter.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 3:55 pm to EKG
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Jamele Hill is a woman.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 5:59 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Keltic Tiger
Please stop replying to my posts with nonsense. Stop pretending like you know me. You don't. You're replying to a "liberal" caricature in your mind.
My post didn't even mention Jemele Hill, and I didn't "twist" anything. If you mistakenly think I did, then specify what you think was twisted. The point of my post was to get down to the basics. You could rearrange the people involved to be from opposing sides/angles and it wouldn't change what I'm getting at.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:00 pm to inadaze
Nice melt! Your whining...keep it going. Cant stop, won't stop!
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
I only watch ESPN when LSU Football is on.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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naw
What are you saying "naw" about?
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using this elevated, allegedly objective status of an opinion (as being absolutely right and without any quesiton) to silence opposition, inquiry, or discussion, is purely authoritarian mularkey.
This seems to align with one of the options I mentioned, it's just that you didn't specify which one.
I generally agree with what you're saying about silencing opposition, inquiry, and discussion, but I'm more trying to get at how people view this at bottom.
You could easily flip the situation/people around. E.g., conservative christians -- there are lots of people on "the right" who are guided by christian ethics and believe that their views are morally right, and those who oppose certain ways of life are morally wrong. So, we should be able to agree that there are people on the right and left who do this. So, "sides" aside, are you saying that "right and wrong" don't exist? Or are you saying that "right and wrong" exist in some way(s), but they are too obscure/indeterminate to discern?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:20 pm to FutureRATeammember
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Nice melt!
OMG! I think you just totally melted!
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:34 pm to inadaze
I'm a socialist and I think ESPN's liberal lean is a of little consequence.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 6:35 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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I'm a socialist and I think ESPN's liberal lean is a of little consequence.
We're all shocked you feel this way.
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