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re: Ending "Trump is no conservative"
Posted on 2/25/17 at 12:47 am to DumbCollegeKid
Posted on 2/25/17 at 12:47 am to DumbCollegeKid
Not telling you to defend it. If you want to call an ace a spade, then that's your right. But it doesn't make it a fact. Free trade (fair trade is not free trade) is a fundamental conservative value.
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Posted on 2/25/17 at 12:48 am to Texas Weazel
Ve haff no dissent! Achtung!
Posted on 2/25/17 at 12:50 am to Jjdoc
quote:Given your strong stance on the trade issue, I'm having trouble understanding why the thought of a weaker dollar was "insanity" to you.
It's limited immigration and fair trade.
In fact, I would have guessed that you would prefer a weaker dollar:
This post was edited on 2/25/17 at 12:54 am
Posted on 2/25/17 at 12:53 am to Texas Weazel
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Well, for one he has been pushing "fair" trade instead of free trade.
Both are conservative ideas. One a Fiscal, the other National. With a National Conservative, Fair Trade leads free trade because the playing field is level.
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Free trade is a fundamental conservative value. It means no tarrifs and taxes on trade and the ability to conduct business in multiple countries with little to no government regulations or interference.
It's fundamental to free trade. But you don't, nor have you ever had free trade. There is 2 sides to that agreement. When one side is not adhering to no tariffs, taxes, or subsidies (china) it is no longer free trade. The very definition is violated.
This is were 2 different opinions within the conservative umbrella differ. At one point, the conservatives had a backbone and wanted something done about it. Throughout the Bush years and Obama Years... that was lost.
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Trump doesn't plan on doing that.
You are right. He is more of a fair trader.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 12:53 am to Jjdoc
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If it's so apparent, why can't you list his actions since in office that show is he is not under the umbrella of conservative?
Trade restrictions? Shutting down members of the press he didn't like? Call out judges? Threatening to invade Mexico? Told congressional leaders to tell others that he only lost the popular vote due to illegal immigrants?
None of those are conservative principles. They are of a completely different political mindset.
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Yet I am the one who gave the verifiable definitions, and pointed out the issues you stated were totally wrong.
I gave you incredibly specific terms on what it meant to be a conservative in the last thread, so quite frankly, go frick yourself.
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YES IT IS!!! LOL.. You say he's pro abortion, I point and link you to his actions... an EO defunding PP.
I point to his words and literally every person he knows saying he's full of shite being against abortion. He's still got 47 months in office, theoretically at least. I'll let his actions talk. There will something below the table there.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 12:55 am to Jjdoc
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Both are conservative ideas.
No. Fair trade (or the one Trump surrogates talk about) involves placing tarrifs, regulations, and taxes which is the exact opposite of conservative values.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 12:58 am to OMLandshark
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I've watched what he's said and how he's acted. I don't think Trump himself would say he was a classical conservative. I think the most I would get out of him is "I'm somewhat conservative". He hasn't been yelling off the rooftops about conservative principles.
Again, that's the very definition of opinion. His actions within the WH have been conservative. In fact moreso than anybody in your lifetime.
He put a freeze on Gov hiring.
He did something you have never seen... defunded PP.
He reversed Obama on Transgender...
Again... action.
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All of his friends in New York have said that he has talked about abortion pretty extensively and been for it. I don't buy for a second that he internally changed his position when he announced his candidacy. He sees abortion like I do and I don't see why he'd change it.
Don't care what his friends opinions are. Did his actions promote abortions? No. Just the opposite.
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I'm not looking up any conservative definition you give me until you at least somewhat understand what being a conservative is
I did. Those are the definitions... sorry you don't like him. But his action have been nothing but conservative by your examples.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 1:01 am to Texas Weazel
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Not when it's one of the fundamental values of conservatism. It's like saying you're a chef, but can't cook.
It's not. Has never been until Bush/Clinton.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 1:05 am to Jjdoc
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It's not
Not wanting the government fiddling in your affairs is not considered "conservative"???
Posted on 2/25/17 at 1:05 am to Jjdoc
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Again, that's the very definition of opinion
Well it's a correct one. I honestly don't think Trump would disagree with me, nor would anyone who personally knows him. It's an opinion, but it required thought, unlike yours.
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His actions within the WH have been conservative.
No, they haven't. You don't know the meaning of the word.
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In fact moreso than anybody in your lifetime.
Yeah, lets go through my ten principles, leave morons like you out of it, and get a board vote. The Bushes and Reagan are well more conservative than he is.
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Don't care what his friends opinions are. Did his actions promote abortions? No. Just the opposite.
Yeah, OJ didn't kill those people! He was found innocent, despite everyone who has come in contact with him knowing he did it.
Sorry, but they know him better than you do.
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I did. Those are the definitions... sorry you don't like him. But his action have been nothing but conservative by your examples.
Ummm, no, and no one who has an IQ above a coconut would say that. You're a moron who doesn't know any complex terms.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 1:06 am to Jjdoc
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I'll just ask this: why do fiscals want ABSOLUTE free trade
Because of their actions. It's what they have done. Because it's part of the very definition.
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immigration WIDE OPEN
Ask Rubio and all the Fiscals that have supported it.
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apparently don't want ZERO immigration and NO trade?
That's not what's happening. It's limited immigration and fair trade. Nice of you to try and change that.
Ahh so it's your complete divorce from reality that makes you such a Trump supporter? And I guess it is explains that "Trump is really a conservative, really I promise! Seriously guys! C'mon! I'm not joking!" position you are taking too.
No real point engaging you further.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 1:06 am to buckeye_vol
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Given your strong stance on the trade issue, I'm having trouble understanding why the thought of a weaker dollar was "insanity" to you.
It's all you have been taught. You can have a strong dollar and fair trade. Why do you think it's either or?
It baffles me. It's like manufacturing. Why does your age believe hook line and sinker that we can only have it or tech, but not both?
That's off topic, but the same mind set.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 1:08 am to BigJim
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No real point engaging you further.
Good point. The OP doesn't understand basic reasoning, English, or reality at large. frick him. I'm done debating this mouth breather.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 1:09 am to Jjdoc
quote:Wait? You think Trump defunded Planned Parenthood, the controversial company started by Margaret Sanger which has clinics across the country?
He did something you have never seen... defunded PP.
If so, you may want to read the name of the organization he defunded more closely. Article on EO
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Trump signs executive order defunding International Planned Parenthood
Posted on 2/25/17 at 1:11 am to buckeye_vol
You're almost as disgusting as the Jewish Nazi enablers. Almost.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 1:13 am to buckeye_vol
You have to give him this, at least the defunding of an international organization is considered a CONSERVATIVE ACTION. He got that one part right.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 1:14 am to Jjdoc
quote:Because a weak dollar has essential the same potential drawbacks and benefits of the fair trade concepts.
It's all you have been taught. You can have a strong dollar and fair trade. Why do you think it's either or?
So why wouldn't you either support both or be against both if the relevant practical implications are essentially the same?
This post was edited on 2/25/17 at 1:15 am
Posted on 2/25/17 at 1:18 am to OMLandshark
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Trade restrictions?
See... there you go again. What restrictions has he put in place?
Second... again.. in the conservative umbrella... there is free trade and fair trade! Sorry you don't like that, but it's factual.
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Shutting down members of the press he didn't like?
He likes fox business news and they didn't make into the gaggle. Was a law broken by President Trump?
I don't like what's going on either, however.... The press should just report the news rather than promoting impeachment.
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Call out judges?
Judges should not advance party politics. And that is VERY MUCH SO a conservative topic. As in constitutionalism.
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Threatening to invade Mexico?
Sweet baby G.... He never threatened to invade. However.... that's not a conservative principle. Conservatives have.... invaded people. LOL!
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Told congressional leaders to tell others that he only lost the popular vote due to illegal immigrants?
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gave you incredibly specific terms on what it meant to be a conservative in the last thread, so quite frankly, go frick yourself.
Exactly... still can't show where his policies are outside the scope of conservatism.
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I point to his words and literally every person he knows saying he's full of shite being against abortion.
Actions.... signed EO defunding PP.. In fact, he stated clearly in the EO that federal dollars can not be used for abortions period.
His nominee for the SCOTUS... well... you can't even argue that.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 1:19 am to DumbCollegeKid
quote:Huh? I just find it amusing that jjdoc has been arguing about Trump's historical defunding of PP, when he didn't defund PP, he defunded an advocacy group that was defunded under Bush and Reagan.
You're almost as disgusting as the Jewish Nazi enablers. Almost.
So it was neither historical nor was it PP.
By the way, I don't support public funding of abortion, just so that's clear.
Posted on 2/25/17 at 1:21 am to Texas Weazel
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No. Fair trade (or the one Trump surrogates talk about) involves placing tarrifs, regulations, and taxes which is the exact opposite of conservative values.
You can claim that all day long because that's what you have been taught over the past 20 years, but it is a conservative idea.
Reagan promoted in action his idea of trade. I gave you the definition. Both are conservative ideas.
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