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re: Ebola Diagnosed in Dallas TX: Patient was sick for days before hospitalized
Posted on 9/30/14 at 6:57 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 9/30/14 at 6:57 pm to CptBengal
quote:Symptomatic for 5 days before he was hospitalized. There is NO EXCUSE for him not to have been quarantined on arrival here! NONE! ZERO!
The problem is he was in the general public for a couple weeks before going to hospital
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 6:59 pm to NC_Tigah
I wonder if any other countries are quarantining people arriving from West Africa.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 6:59 pm to CptBengal
quote:He left Liberia on the 19th and arrived on the 20th. He was hospitalized on the 28th, being brought to the hospital by ambulance. They have already quarantined the two people on the ambulance crew.
He flew in from Liberia.
The problem is he was in the general public for a couple weeks before going to hospital
The problem is that he went to the doctors, obviously symptomatic, "a few days" before, possibly that Friday the 26th. Of course the dippy doctor sent him home. Maybe the guy never said he recently visited Liberia. So the doctor, everyone working in the office, and everyone who visited the office that day and since... plus anyone he came into contact with since and the week before should be quarantined at the minimum.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:01 pm to mmcgrath
quote:Sadly, even among the population of doctors, I'll bet if you grabbed 100 at random and said "quick, tell me what's interesting about Liberia these days" you wouldn't get 70 correct answers.
Maybe the guy never said he recently visited Liberia
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:01 pm to trackfan
Think about it. A gas station, grocery store, hospital waiting room, family, a bar, resteraunt.
Where did you go last week? How many people did you come in contact with?
Where did you go last week? How many people did you come in contact with?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:04 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Symptomatic for 5 days before he was hospitalized
That doctors office waiting room. Anyone he talked to. His work.
And then you have the vectors out.
I'll ask again. How many people did you come in contact with in the last 5 days?
1000? 5000?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:06 pm to mmcgrath
Now I wish I had bought more Tekmira stock....
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:06 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Hmm.... again I thought it was very difficult to contract, what are the odds this guy is the only one entering the country sick?
how many peeps have been exposed?Many!
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:08 pm to Jbird
quote:
Hmm.... again I thought it was very difficult to contrac
MSDS sheet from CDC says can live on a surface for up to 2 weeks.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:09 pm to mmcgrath
I keep hearing the medical experts swear that Ebola is not airborne and is hard to get, but somehow doctors and nurses, who presumably are taking all the necessary precautions, keep getting it, and the government took extraordinary precautions when transporting the two Americans that were brought, as though they were transporting a nuclear warhead. There seems to be a disconnect between their words and their actions.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:10 pm to CptBengal
quote:Well can't wait for all those Army types taking care of Africa to return to the States.
MSDS sheet from CDC says can live on a surface for up to 2 weeks.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:13 pm to CptBengal
quote:
MSDS sheet from CDC says can live on a surface for up to 2 weeks.
I find that very hard to believe given Ebola's notorious environmental fragility.
Link?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:13 pm to trackfan
quote:I couldn't care less WTF other countries are doing. This is an epidemiologic/medical issue not a political one.
I wonder if any other countries are quarantining people arriving from West Africa.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:15 pm to Jbird
And now this:
LINK
The medical pundits on TV swear they understand Ebola, but somehow the experts keep getting it.
quote:
Liberia's chief medical officer has quarantined herself for three weeks and ordered her entire office to do the same after an assistant died of Ebola..
Dr. Bernice Dahn had no symptoms. But her move to quarantine her office was in line with a government policy on containing the crisis. In crowded, jostling communities of the capital, Monrovia, the government’s 21-day quarantine rule is mostly ignored.
After Dahn’s assistant died, the Ministry of Health and Social Welfare stopped working Thursday to allow sprayers to decontaminate the building.
LINK
The medical pundits on TV swear they understand Ebola, but somehow the experts keep getting it.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:16 pm to trackfan
quote:
I keep hearing the medical experts swear that Ebola is not airborne and is hard to get, but somehow doctors and nurses, who presumably are taking all the necessary precautions, keep getting it, and the government took extraordinary precautions when transporting the two Americans that were brought, as though they were transporting a nuclear warhead. There seems to be a disconnect between their words and their actions.
Well, to be fair:
The doctors have MUCH more contact. It is like the dental hygienist leaving the room when taking a x-ray after saying "it is safe". YOU get ONE x-ray....SHE gives 10 x-rays a day.
AND....any 'handling' is based upon the severity of the issues IF something goes wrong. You are MUCH more likely to spill a full glass of milk than half a glass of poison. BUT, you will be MUCH morecareful with the poison.
So....having a 1 in a million chance of contracting a thing...exposed a million times...likely to get it.
And, 1 in a million chance of contracting an nearly always fatal something.....take ALL precautions to avoid that slim chance
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:16 pm to mmcgrath
Thanks for creating Ebola, Obama. fricking idiot.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:17 pm to trackfan
quote:We had experts on here claiming it was extremely difficult to contract.
The medical pundits on TV swear they understand Ebola, but somehow the experts keep getting it.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:17 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
I couldn't care less WTF other countries are doing. This is an epidemiologic/medical issue not a political one.
I'm not suggesting that we should let other countries dictate our policy, but I am curious to see how their risk assessment compares to ours.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:17 pm to trackfan
I don't have time to answer the first part, but the second part is easy:
Ebola is a BS-4 pathogen, which dictates isolation conditions for research work and patient care.
You'll have the same protections in place for someone with smallpox, which is so contagious it has been known to infect people who never met, and have never touched the same surfaces.
Ebola is a BS-4 pathogen, which dictates isolation conditions for research work and patient care.
You'll have the same protections in place for someone with smallpox, which is so contagious it has been known to infect people who never met, and have never touched the same surfaces.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:17 pm to Volvagia
quote:this is the whole pdf from the cdc
SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: The virus can survive in liquid or dried material for a number of days (23). Infectivity is found to be stable at room temperature or at 4°C for several days, and indefinitely stable at -70°C (6, 20). Infectivity can be preserved by lyophilisation.
ERA my recollection is off, not weeks, just several days.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 7:20 pm
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