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re: DOJ reportedly asked Ferguson cops not to release robbery video
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:11 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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people don't want to accept the fact that life is amazing now and want to create a shitty perception of life just so that they can feel important "protesting" their deluded self perceptions
I think media pressure goes a lot further than a bunch of morons running around with their hands up.
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:11 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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Of course it is. It doesn't matter if he stole 10 golden unicorns, that doesn't give the police the right to carry out an execution in the streets.
It's no different than when a girl gets raped and people point out that she wore slutty clothes or liked to sleep around. That's irrelevant to what happened.
I agree that in this case it appears that the robbery video is irrelevant to the overarching question as to whether the police officer was justified in his use of force.
I disagree with your overall premise though.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:20 am to L.A.
quote:IF the feeling is that it had direct relevance, it should have been released as soon as it was determined that Brown was the robber.
Agreed. Releasing it when they did only made matters worse.
The problem with the release, as it was conducted, is the idiot Police Chief did not establish relevance to the shooting. In fact, he implied the shooting had no connection with the robbery whatsoever. If that is what he believes, he should not have released the tape. The timing to coincide with release of the name of the officer stunk to high heaven.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:31 am to NC_Tigah
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The problem with the release, as it was conducted, is the idiot Police Chief did not establish relevance to the shooting. In fact, he implied the shooting had no connection with the robbery whatsoever. If that is what he believes, he should not have released the tape. The timing to coincide with release of the name of the officer stunk to high heaven.
What bothers me here is that you clearly have a local, incompetent police force that was, behind the scenes, being directed by an "incompetent" federal agency.
The Ferguson group is special, but when you've got the DOJ breathing down your neck, your stupidity will be multiplied due to outside pressure.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:27 am to trackfan
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Do you believe in the 1st Amendment?
what do you mean? the fact that it exists?
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What do you think people should people do to effect change?
vote, spend money towards the areas they agree with, spread information about groups/persons they have grievances with, etc
let's say the protesters have a peaceful protest tonight. what good will that do? none. now, will it waste a lot of public monies? yes. they're only hurting the taxpayers of ferguson, the surrounding areas, and MO. the protests won't change anything
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:30 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Agreed on both counts. My reaction after watching the police chief's press conference to announce the release of the video was, "And?"
IF the feeling is that it had direct relevance, it should have been released as soon as it was determined that Brown was the robber.
The problem with the release, as it was conducted, is the idiot Police Chief did not establish relevance to the shooting. In fact, he implied the shooting had no connection with the robbery whatsoever. If that is what he believes, he should not have released the tape. The timing to coincide with release of the name of the officer stunk to high heaven.
I do think the robbery likely tells us something about Brown's state of mind during the police stop. As far as what he did, and what the cop did, we'll just have to wait and see what the evidence shows.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:32 am to The Pirate King
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I think media pressure goes a lot further than a bunch of morons running around with their hands up.
yeah
for example, the OKCupid CEO resigned without a person lining up. he donated money to a cause a group disagreed with like 5.5 years prior
he resigned within like week of the media getting hold of it, too
when was the last protest that was that effective?
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:40 am to L.A.
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They predicted, correctly it seems, that the video would inflame racial tensions.
I disagree. Black folk have no right to become indignant when the victim's previous behavior comes into play. In fact, it goes to the probable psychological dynamic in an interaction with LE.
Like the gal on "This Week with G. Stephanopolous" said when slamming the Governor for not being more active in the beginning, and lamenting the release of the surveillance video..."state of mind matters". As such, would it not take some of the inflammatory passion out of the enraged populous if they believed that Brown may have been on a rogue episode that day? And that the LE officer MIGHT have been justified?
We went on rant here a couple of weeks back when the D'Souza movie "America" came out, and it was revealed that MANY Blacks...OWNED SLAVES.
What the hell is going on with Black high ups (DOJ, Education high-ups, Urban murder stats, etc.) that seek to withhold information that would DIFFUSE dangerous and divisive reactionary racial instincts in the Black populous? They censor information that would tamp down racial division?
I smell a rat! I'm going Paul Harvey here.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:44 am to L.A.
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As far as what he did, and what the cop did, we'll just have to wait and see what the evidence shows.
To a rational person, the evidence will tell us everything that we need to know.
I fear that things are so out of hand in Ferguson that the evidence won't matter. I was listening to the press conference yesterday afternoon and the crowd was screaming for indictments and charges to be brought. The ones screaming don't want an investigation, they want a lynching.
If the evidence comes out to be in the cop's favor, I think things will get much worse there. Many of them are peacefully protesting, which is well within their constitutional rights. But there are many that aren't peaceful. Unfortunately, I don't see this ending any time soon.
I have great sympathy for the family and friends if the deceased. This entire situation is tragic for every one involved.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:53 am to MSCoastTigerGirl
quote:I saw that press conference and I think you're right. One of the officials on the podium even used the word "murder" in explaining which office is the one that files murder charges.
I fear that things are so out of hand in Ferguson that the evidence won't matter. I was listening to the press conference yesterday afternoon and the crowd was screaming for indictments and charges to be brought. The ones screaming don't want an investigation, they want a lynching.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:00 am to MSCoastTigerGirl
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I have great sympathy for the family
I keep hearing this over and over and over in the Media...and I'm thinking...just what in God's name did those parents either teach...or not teach...their 6'4 300 pound child in regard to respecting his fellow man and the Law?
Somehow...'sympathy' - in respect to the virulent and pernicious attitude re disrespect of Law - is counterproductive in the real world. This crap could go viral if the wrong thing happens.
If those parents were truly responsible citizens, then having seen that surveillance video of their rogue son...they would have stepped up and tamped down the reactionary passions, instead of inflaming them with the "no justice, no peace"...and trying to hide the evidence of their son's INJUSTICE to his own fellow man.
Has any of Brown's FaceBook stuff been out there? Like the Trayvon gansta stuff that came out? Let me offer an ignorant guess: scrubbed...if possible. And damned as disrespectful, harmful and incendiary.
Sympathy and respect are EARNED...not freely given. But I reckon that's why I'm not a Prog/Lib...and believe in a Judgmental God. And love/worship REAL JUSTICE and Truth.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:07 am to RCDfan1950
So...If this cop had previous history of claims of excessive force, that would not matter?
Anything that puts this incident in context matters.
Anything that puts this incident in context matters.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:13 am to RCDfan1950
The parents did something right. Brown graduated high school in an area where that isn't statistically a given. He was also going to college - again beating the odds.
I'm not saying this kid was an angel - he obviously wasn't. I'm saying that blaming the parents for the behavior of an 18/19 year old isn't very fair. Many kids raised well make huge mistakes at that age. You have to look at the situation as relative. He didn't grow up in a low crime suburban area. He had outside influences competing with his pArents teachings.
And even though this young man committed a crime, his parents have a right to question how a stop leads to death. They have a right to question everything and believe nothing if they choose. Blaming the actions of others on them takes away from the responsibility of those choosing to break the law.
I'm so sick of parents being blamed for everything. This is usually done by people who have patented children in low crime, low violence areas. These people think thAt their perfect parenting is the reason their child made it through life without violence and crime when, in fact, where they raised their child also had an impact.
I don't support Brown or the looters but I don't support ignorance, either.
I'm not saying this kid was an angel - he obviously wasn't. I'm saying that blaming the parents for the behavior of an 18/19 year old isn't very fair. Many kids raised well make huge mistakes at that age. You have to look at the situation as relative. He didn't grow up in a low crime suburban area. He had outside influences competing with his pArents teachings.
And even though this young man committed a crime, his parents have a right to question how a stop leads to death. They have a right to question everything and believe nothing if they choose. Blaming the actions of others on them takes away from the responsibility of those choosing to break the law.
I'm so sick of parents being blamed for everything. This is usually done by people who have patented children in low crime, low violence areas. These people think thAt their perfect parenting is the reason their child made it through life without violence and crime when, in fact, where they raised their child also had an impact.
I don't support Brown or the looters but I don't support ignorance, either.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:17 am to LSUGrrrl
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The parents did something right. Brown graduated high school in an area where that isn't statistically a given. He was also going to college - again beating the odds. I'm not saying this kid was an angel - he obviously wasn't. I'm saying that blaming the parents for the behavior of an 18/19 year old isn't very fair. Many kids raised well make huge mistakes at that age. You have to look at the situation as relative. He didn't grow up in a low crime suburban area. He had outside influences competing with his pArents teachings. And even though this young man committed a crime, his parents have a right to question how a stop leads to death. They have a right to question everything and believe nothing if they choose. Blaming the actions of others on them takes away from the responsibility of those choosing to break the law. I'm so sick of parents being blamed for everything. This is usually done by people who have patented children in low crime, low violence areas. These people think thAt their perfect parenting is the reason their child made it through life without violence and crime when, in fact, where they raised their child also had an impact. I don't support Brown or the looters but I don't support ignorance, either.
Like I said...I WORSHIP Truth.
Excellent.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:20 am to udtiger
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So...If this cop had previous history of claims of excessive force, that would not matter? Anything that puts this incident in context matters.
Absolutely, ud. Anything that illumines the personal character of the two is helpful.
I heard that the cop was quiet and low key. Could have been spin. But's he's in deep now; I think he lost control. I suspect he'll pull a 'Robin Williams' before he goes in jail with real heathens...with a bullseye on his chest.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:25 am to RCDfan1950
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:38 am to RCDfan1950
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I saw that press conference and I think you're right. One of the officials on the podium even used the word "murder" in explaining which office is the one that files murder charges.
I heard that as well. This will not end well. Aren't they trying it as a civil rights case? I really didn't follow it much until this weekend.
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Sympathy and respect are EARNED...not freely given. But I reckon that's why I'm not a Prog/Lib...and believe in a Judgmental God. And love/worship REAL JUSTICE and Truth.
I'm not a prog/lib in the slightest.
When I say that I have great sympathy for the family it's because they lost their son. I have sympathy for any one who loses someone that they love. However, I do not sympathize with the way that they have handled the situation. And I have absolutely no respect for the way that they have handled it. The father standing in the street right after the death holding a sign was pathetic, IMO. They have fueled this all along.
I also have sympathy for the cop, and more so his family (I don't know if he has a wife and kids, but that's what I mean by family). His life is ruined, even if he is found innocent, and I am sure that they all fear for their lives. I'm sure they will have to uproot their family and move somewhere else out of safety.
After the riots end and the media and Jesse and Al move on to the next big story there will still be two families that will deal with this for the rest of their lives.
That's what I sympathize with. I don't sympathize with criminals. Like L.A. said, when the evidence comes out, everyone will know the truth. I just don't think that the truth will matter to a lot of people.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:43 am to LSUGrrrl
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I'm not saying this kid was an angel - he obviously wasn't. I'm saying that blaming the parents for the behavior of an 18/19 year old isn't very fair. Many kids raised well make huge mistakes at that age. You have to look at the situation as relative. He didn't grow up in a low crime suburban area. He had outside influences competing with his pArents teachings.
Exactly. You can't always blame the parents. I'm sure we all did things at 18 years old that went against everything that our parents taught us. I know I did.
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I'm so sick of parents being blamed for everything. This is usually done by people who have patented children in low crime, low violence areas. These people think thAt their perfect parenting is the reason their child made it through life without violence and crime when, in fact, where they raised their child also had an impact.
I don't support Brown or the looters but I don't support ignorance, either.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:44 am to L.A.
Terrible timing by the local PD. It's done nothing but create more tensions and increase the belief that this dept. is a mickey mouse operation.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 11:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
How about trying to slow down the MSM from controlling the narrative and convicting the officer of executing the unarmed, innocent, college-bound gentle giant without cause? Hell, they quickly broadcast the officer's address, street and personal info but that is in no way an indication that they consider the officer guilty of murder.
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