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re: Do you say "Black" or "African American"?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 12:47 pm to Vegas Bengal
Posted on 5/31/14 at 12:47 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Not surprised
Don't feed the "I'm so edgy that I say colored and negroid" trolls.
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Posted on 5/31/14 at 12:54 pm to Navytiger74
I'm black, and I prefer the term black. I am an American 100%. I feel like being called an African American is a disservice to actual Africans. I have never been to Africa, and I know very minimal about their culture outside of what you learn in your high school world geography class.. I don't know of anyone who actually uses the term African American, unless in a professional setting.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 12:56 pm to TSS4LSU
quote:neither.
Do you call blacks black or AA?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 1:02 pm to QJenk
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I'm black, and I prefer the term black. I am an American 100%. I feel like being called an African American is a disservice to actual Africans. I have never been to Africa, and I know very minimal about their culture outside of what you learn in your high school world geography class.. I don't know of anyone who actually uses the term African American, unless in a professional setting.
This has been the gist of the thread. Someone (OP) who isn't black pretended as though black folks are offended by the term black and enamored with the term AA. I don't know anyone black in any setting that uses AA. I know a few whites who use it at "Diversity Training" and on the news. We don't use it in the workplace. We didn't use it at school. We don't use it personally.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 4:26 pm to Navytiger74
I say "colored folk" 
Posted on 5/31/14 at 4:31 pm to TSS4LSU
Replying after only reading the OP. I mostly use the term black. More inclusive and better chance for accuracy. Will use AA if the context requires it.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:57 pm to VOR
They aren't "African American" unless they immigrated themselves. That is effing stupid. I am not a "European American".
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:03 pm to gthog61
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They aren't "African American" unless they immigrated themselves. That is effing stupid. I am not a "European American".
Then what race do you call Asians?
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:04 pm to gthog61
So all those people calling themselves "Irish American" and Italian American" and "Asian American" fricking stupid unless they immigrate themselves?
Frankly I don't have a dog in this hunt. People can call themselves what they want. I just find it curious you find yourself in every thread dealing with race and always on one side.
Frankly I don't have a dog in this hunt. People can call themselves what they want. I just find it curious you find yourself in every thread dealing with race and always on one side.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:05 pm to Easy
quote:You do understand that 'African American' isn't a race, right?
Then what race do you call Asians?
quote:LINK
The world population can be divided into 4 major races, namely white/Caucasian, Mongoloid/Asian, Negroid/Black, and Australoid. This is based on a racial classification made by Carleton S. Coon in 1962. There is no universally accepted classification for “race”, however, and its use has been under fire over the last few decades. The United Nations, in a 1950 statement, opted to “drop the term ‘race’ altogether and speak of “ethnic groups”. In this case, there are more than 5,000 ethnic groups in the world, according to a 1998 study published in the Scientific American.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 11:54 pm to L.A.
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You do understand that 'African American' isn't a race, right?
Technically it is listed as a race on the US census. Either way the same principle applies. How can whites be upset that black people that have never been to Africa might call themselves African American and at the same time call people that have never been to Asia, Asians? It's racist. Why the frick should you care anyway?
Posted on 6/1/14 at 1:07 am to Easy
quote:Do people really get upset at that? I think IRL nobody gives a shite. We're just talking hypotheticals on a message board. Speaking for myself I don't care what people call themselves.
Either way the same principle applies. How can whites be upset that black people that have never been to Africa might call themselves African American and at the same time call people that have never been to Asia, Asians?
On the other hands, as has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread, the term "African American" as YOU are using it is technically inaccurate because YOU are using it to describe black people, not African Americans. You proved this when you said that Charlize Theron is not African American, even though she was born in Africa, raised in Africa, understands African culture, speaks an African language, and now lives in America. Your refusal to call her and others like her African Americans nullifies your own point. What you really mean by African American is black. So why don't you just say that?
I don't see anybody anywhere saying some people who are of Asian descent aren't really Asian because of the tone of their skin.
So that's the answer to your question.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 5:59 am to Vegas Bengal
quote:This.
So all those people calling themselves "Irish American" and Italian American" and "Asian American" fricking stupid unless they immigrate themselves?
Frankly I don't have a dog in this hunt. People can call themselves what they want.
When I first became aware of the origin of the "X" in Malcolm X as a teenager, it left a lasting impression.
A large proportion of this country's black population exists here because ancestors were ripped as freemen from their homeland, and forced into slavery. At that point by and large, their history, genealogy, and heritage were ripped from them as well. All most have left of it, is a knowledge of the continent from which their progenitors originated.
That's it.
Would someone honestly begrudge that sliver of heritage as well?
No, all Africans are not black; so one can make the case that African does not pertain to race, if need be. But all blacks are African, insofar as origin. Therefore, blacks are certainly African American, if they desire the reference.
This post was edited on 6/1/14 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 6/1/14 at 12:01 pm to trackfan
Old terms: Oriental
The Orient (from Turkey, Middle East to Far East Asia) and the Occident (Western Europe to America). Eastern world vs. Western world.
But the West never really referred to themselves as Occidental - "A native or inhabitant of an Occidental country; a westerner."
So by labeling all Asians (among others - Middle Easterners) as simply Orientals - it was a blanket term for the often prejudicial misunderstanding and lack of knowledge of the Middle East and Far East.
In the nineteenth century, "Oriental Studies" was an area of academic study. But the West had to create the East in order for this study to take place. Said asserts that according to the Occidentals, the Orientals had no history or culture independent of their colonial masters. Orientalism is more an indicator of the power the West holds over the Orient, than about the Orient itself. Creating an image of the Orient and a body of knowledge about the Orient and subjecting it to systematic study became the prototype for taking control of the Orient. By taking control of the scholarship, the West also took political and economic control.
The Orient (from Turkey, Middle East to Far East Asia) and the Occident (Western Europe to America). Eastern world vs. Western world.
But the West never really referred to themselves as Occidental - "A native or inhabitant of an Occidental country; a westerner."
So by labeling all Asians (among others - Middle Easterners) as simply Orientals - it was a blanket term for the often prejudicial misunderstanding and lack of knowledge of the Middle East and Far East.
In the nineteenth century, "Oriental Studies" was an area of academic study. But the West had to create the East in order for this study to take place. Said asserts that according to the Occidentals, the Orientals had no history or culture independent of their colonial masters. Orientalism is more an indicator of the power the West holds over the Orient, than about the Orient itself. Creating an image of the Orient and a body of knowledge about the Orient and subjecting it to systematic study became the prototype for taking control of the Orient. By taking control of the scholarship, the West also took political and economic control.
This post was edited on 6/1/14 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 6/1/14 at 12:16 pm to NC_Tigah
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A large proportion of this country's black population exists here because ancestors were ripped as freemen from their homeland, and forced into slavery. At that point by and large, their history, genealogy, and heritage were ripped from them as well. All most have left of it, is a knowledge of the continent from which their progenitors originated.
Never mind that black tribes more often than not sold rival tribes to Europeans.
I just get tired of the slavery discussion because a lot of us Europeans immigrated here in early 20th century. The way you hear urban black people get so defensive these days you'd think we were one generation removed from slavery. It's not like they faced genocide on the level of Jews in WW2.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 6:07 pm to Larry Gooseman
Don't you love how all the racists like Trackfan don't have an answer for the history of Oriental?
Posted on 6/1/14 at 6:15 pm to TSS4LSU
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One of my students is black and from Bermuda. He is not a US citizen. If I had to describe him I cant call him an African American.
bermuda is in North america.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 6:26 pm to Zamoro10
quote:I don't see track as racist at all.
Don't you love how all the racists like Trackfan don't have an answer for the history of Oriental?
I do see him (her?) as extremely opinionated, and occasionally coming at issues from a surprisingly isolated POV.
Regarding comments re: Oriental(s), I don't really get the connection here.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 7:25 pm to NC_Tigah
My mom always said use Oriental when referring to food/rugs only.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 7:28 pm to L.A.
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Do people really get upset at that? I think IRL nobody gives a shite. We're just talking hypotheticals on a message board. Speaking for myself I don't care what people call themselves.
People say things when in places like this one because they can be anonymous when they are politically incorrect. Of course you don't hear this much irl, but all of these pages both here and other places show you how much whites care.
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I don't see anybody anywhere saying some people who are of Asian descent aren't really Asian because of the tone of their skin.
My point is that the same whites that get bent over "African American" over the technicality that most black Americans have never been to Africa never apply the same logical test to Asians here in the US.
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