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Do you believe there is any truth to 9/11 conspiracy theories?

Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:39 pm
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:39 pm
Stole this from r/conspiracy, what's your thoughts? Do you believe there's any truth to any of the conspiracy theories floating around out there?

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On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.

Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBI’s lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history.

The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO.
The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but that’s OK because it probably wasn’t important.

The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but that’s OK because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine record keeping.

NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7’s collapse, but that’s OK because knowing how they made their model of that collapse would “jeopardize public safety“.

The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public, but that’s OK because the FBI probably has nothing to hide.

This man never existed, nor is anything he had to say worthy of your attention, and if you say otherwise you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist and deserve to be shunned by all of humanity. Likewise him, him, him, and her. (and her and her and him).

Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasn’t recorded on video, in which he didn’t resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that team’s members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.

This is the story of 9/11, brought to you by the media which told you the hard truths about JFK and incubator babies and mobile production facilities and the rescue of Jessica Lynch.

If you have any questions about this story…you are a batshite, paranoid, tinfoil, dog-abusing baby-hater and will be reviled by everyone. If you love your country and/or freedom, happiness, rainbows, rock and roll, puppy dogs, apple pie and your grandma, you will never ever express doubts about any part of this story to anyone. Ever.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:40 pm to
No
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:40 pm to
Personally I don't, but this past year has cast doubts in my mind on all kinds of shite.
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:41 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 8:02 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:42 pm to
I don't believe any buildings were brought down by controlled detonations if that's what you mean
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:43 pm to
No.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39210 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:44 pm to
jet fuel can't melt steel beams
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:45 pm to
quote:

I don't believe any buildings were brought down by controlled detonations if that's what you mean



Do you think any actors were involved beyond Al-queda? If so, nation state level?
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:45 pm to
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:46 pm to
WTC7 is a legitimate problem...all the other stuff is likely to conform to the media's script.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:47 pm to
The only theory I put any credence towards is United 93 was actually shot down. I don't know if there would be any reason that more than a dozen people to know of this.

As for setting up the Twin Towers and Pentagon to explode, no. Thousands of people would have to be in on that. No fricking way did those happen.
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38231 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:48 pm to
Didn't WTC7 have WTC1 or 2 fall on it then burn for hours afterward?

ETA: and if it was rigged for demolition, why wait so long afterward?
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 10:49 pm
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35533 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:50 pm to
I take the appropriate approach....

Who knows?
Posted by ozland
Land of Ahhs or so I am told.
Member since Aug 2008
338 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:51 pm to
quote:

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.


The heat that can generate from JP4 jet fuel is unpublished. But the answer is can it melt steel beams. The conspiracy theories about 911 are wrong.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108541 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:52 pm to
quote:

Personally I don't, but this past year has cast doubts in my mind on all kinds of shite.


Even if they wanted to do it, how could they have pulled this off? With 93 at least you just have 5 guys on Air Force One and directly instructing a pilot to shoot them down.

But with the WTC, how could you have possibly pulled that off? Who planted the bombs? Who made the bombs? How did no one else in the building come across the bombs? Who approved of this plan? How did they get past security to plant bombs in the building? Who got the families involved in this? Why did they just frick up on Building 7? How did they implement this plan so quickly?

This among 800 other questions.
Posted by IceTiger
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:54 pm to
quote:

Didn't WTC7 have WTC1 or 2 fall on it then burn for hours afterward?

ETA: and if it was rigged for demolition, why wait so long afterward?


There's video of a guy wandering around WTC7 for 40 minutes or so right after the other towers fell, it wasn't on fire, but the guy ran into some feds telling him he needed to leave now...

But the "feds" were in several places in the building...

It's strange as hell
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108541 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:55 pm to
quote:

There's video of a guy wandering around WTC7 for 40 minutes or so right after the other towers fell, it wasn't on fire, but the guy ran into some feds telling him he needed to leave now...


Why would they light that on fire then? Was it the fricking Riddler who brought down the towers and just wanted to leave a hint?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67111 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:56 pm to
I think there was a coverup regarding how the operation was funded, and what groups were behind it, but I believe it happened exactly as the official story says. The plane crash caused the collapse of the twin towers, and the resulting firestorm took down wtc7. The aftermath was also likely manipulated to further a political agenda, much like many disasters like Sandy Hook.

There was no flight intercept simply because we really had gotten just that lax and incompetent. Never attribute to malevolence what could just as easily be attributable to incompetence.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 10:59 pm
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:57 pm to
The idea that the federal government who can't even run a good postal service system without losing money, a competent healthcare website or a small department dedicated to taking care of veterans can somehow rig two of the tallest skyscrapers in the world to collapse and the most fortified headquarters to blow itself up without anyone noticing it being set up is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories ever.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67111 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 11:02 pm to
They probably told him to leave because they were afraid that, you know, two flaming buildings might fall on him or something. SUPRISE! They were right!
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