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DC Statehood
Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:42 am
Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:42 am
I understand alone Congress can create a new state as long as it is not part of another state, but the Constitution holds a special provision for "the seat of power", i.e. DC
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the document reads, “The Congress shall have Power To …exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States.”
It seems to me that the founders worried that if the capital were to be a state, the members of the government would be unduly beholden to it. Madison envisioned that voting members of a D.C. state would be able to 'interrupt’ the proceedings of government to get their way, simply by virtue of physical proximity to the halls of power.
Any constitutional experts in TD willing to add their view of this?
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the document reads, “The Congress shall have Power To …exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States.”
It seems to me that the founders worried that if the capital were to be a state, the members of the government would be unduly beholden to it. Madison envisioned that voting members of a D.C. state would be able to 'interrupt’ the proceedings of government to get their way, simply by virtue of physical proximity to the halls of power.
Any constitutional experts in TD willing to add their view of this?
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Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:43 am to BigLSUNut
Yeah we know.
There would need to be an Amendment to make DC a state and that won't happen.
Puerto Rico though...
There would need to be an Amendment to make DC a state and that won't happen.
Puerto Rico though...
Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:46 am to BigLSUNut
Anyone who wants DC to be a state is a fricking loon.
there’s a reason the capitol isn’t in Philly or NYC and it’s the exact reasons listed in the OP. they created DC specifically to not be a state.
there’s a reason the capitol isn’t in Philly or NYC and it’s the exact reasons listed in the OP. they created DC specifically to not be a state.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:49 am to BigLSUNut
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Any constitutional experts in TD willing to add their view of this?
This is high school civics. No one has an argument to Constitutionally create a state out of DC. It goes against the very reason the Founders created it as they did.
This is simply a vote grab attempt and given most Americans don't have a clue about DC or why it was set up the way it was, the "argument" for statehood sounds reasonable when not presented with the alternate, and actual reasons.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:50 am to Fun Bunch
I wish as I were as optimistic as you on DC. With Democrats controlling everything, we're going to get DC/PR statehood. Manchin and Sinema can say all they want about not making them states and not backing court-packing, but their side has embraced cancel culture. If they don't bow down to the AOC/Warren/Sanders nut jobs on the left, they're going to get cancelled. They'll get a primary challenge and have mobs go to their homes and offices who will threaten them and force them to change. They will bow down to the mob.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:52 am to Fun Bunch
Correct me if I’m wrong. Currently Puerto Rico doesn’t pay federal taxes, if they become a state they will have to pay taxes. Not sure the people of PR will vote to become a state.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:53 am to BigLSUNut
All must realize we’re entering the Constitution be damned era. Implementing the manifesto will be done by any means necessary
Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:54 am to BigLSUNut
Not a Constitutional expert, but I do know that one of the things they have discussed in the past is reducing the "federal district" to just the area right around the White House/Capitol/Supreme Court/Federal Buildings (maybe roughly bounded by Penn Ave/2nd St/G St/the river) and then the remaining area outside of that would become the state.
I think that was one of the ideas pitched during the Holder DOJ/Obama admin time.
Whether that would pass muster or not, who knows.
I think that was one of the ideas pitched during the Holder DOJ/Obama admin time.
Whether that would pass muster or not, who knows.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:55 am to BigLSUNut
It's not just new states, they're gonna really go after getting rid of the electoral college because the 'horrific riot' would never have taken place if we just used the popular vote. So we must junk the electoral college in order to prevent future massacres by republican terrorists.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:55 am to jlc05
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entering the Constitution be damned era.
"Entering"? I thought we were fully inside that window...
Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:59 am to PJinAtl
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Whether that would pass muster or not, who knows.
It sounds pretextual to me. If you're concerned about representation for those living outside of that zone but still in DC, why not cede those areas to either Virginia or Maryland? The answer: because they're already blue states.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:59 am to RammerJammer91
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I wish as I were as optimistic as you on DC.
It literally can't happen without an amendment.
A SpCrt Challenge would happen immediately and should be a 9-0 decision, but would likely be 8-1 or 7-2 because of the wise latina and possibly Kagan (I think Kagan would vote against personally).
It is literally spelled out in the Constitution.
Puerto Rico will be a state within the next 2 years though.
They already voted for it. They don't give a shite about federal income tax because the vast majority of people there aren't going to pay it. They want the handouts.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 10:05 am to PJinAtl
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reducing the "federal district" to just the area right around the White House/Capitol/Supreme Court/Federal Buildings (maybe roughly bounded by Penn Ave/2nd St/G St/the river) and then the remaining area outside of that would become the state.
That would make it part of NOVA. Virginia is already lost because of the NOVA population. What difference would it make now?
Posted on 1/8/21 at 10:19 am to BFIV
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That would make it part of NOVA. Virginia is already lost because of the NOVA population. What difference would it make now?
It would actually be Maryland (DC retroceded the Virginia side to that state in the 1840s).
Posted on 1/8/21 at 10:21 am to BigLSUNut
I think the plan would be to carve out the capitol buildings and white house and the remainder would be a state. Which is ridiculous. It's essentially an independent city culturally and in its current government (by design). It should if anything just absorb those areas back into Maryland like Virginia did with Arlington and Alexandria. Making it a state is purely to gain political power and not to better serve the citizens of those areas.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 10:21 am to Fun Bunch
I think Puerto Rico has voted down statehood twice.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 11:33 am to BigLSUNut
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Any constitutional experts in TD willing to add their view of this?
Pahahahaha the left will follow the laws they see fit. They could give a shite less about the constitution.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 11:57 am to Wally Sparks
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It would actually be Maryland (DC retroceded the Virginia side to that state in the 1840s).
Thanks! Did not know that. Learn something every day. That's better than going to Virginia. We've got way too many SJWs, libtards, and progressives here already.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 12:03 pm to SCLibertarian
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It sounds pretextual to me. If you're concerned about representation for those living outside of that zone but still in DC, why not cede those areas to either Virginia or Maryland? The answer: because they're already blue states.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 12:15 pm to Fun Bunch
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Puerto Rico though...
I think three times they have put the Puerto Rico question up for vote. it was either 1): Become a state, 2): Become an independent nation, or 3): maintain the status quo as a territory.
Every time the people have elected to just maintain status quo
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