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Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:37 am to the808bass
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Why is that implausible to you? Civic leaders talking about racism are pandering for votes. Why are you fighting this extremely obvious point?
Occam's razor man
What is more likely, all of these black leaders in on the conspiracy to over police their own people?
Or police have more contact with areas of the community that have high crime rates?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:38 am to the808bass
The story is over. It does not matter. We have video and audio. Brake lights were out. Cop told him not to reach several times. Driver didn't. It is over.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:40 am to the808bass
They follow you, run the plates...if there's a warrant out or even if they see you have a record...you get pulled over on some technical made up b.s. - your car is too low to the ground, etc. Just so they can investigate and maximize the stop in the hopes of finding drugs or a weapon.
It's why state legislature made up all these rules about vehicles - to give cops a million reasons to pull anyone over without reasonable suspicion or probable cause.
Tinted windows, mud on your license plate, mud flaps too low, rear bumper not shiny enough, whatever...cops don't give a crap about any of that shite...they aren't pulling over white grandma with two busted tail-lights, a dragging bumper on the road creating sparks...but they sure as hell are pulling over a black guy with a criminal record because his tires look a little underflated.
It's why state legislature made up all these rules about vehicles - to give cops a million reasons to pull anyone over without reasonable suspicion or probable cause.
Tinted windows, mud on your license plate, mud flaps too low, rear bumper not shiny enough, whatever...cops don't give a crap about any of that shite...they aren't pulling over white grandma with two busted tail-lights, a dragging bumper on the road creating sparks...but they sure as hell are pulling over a black guy with a criminal record because his tires look a little underflated.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:44 am to silverdude
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which he was trying to
why was he trying to do ANYTHING other than listen to the cop?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:48 am to the808bass
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The robbery was four days prior.
This is true. That was not in the story I read previously. I was under the impression the robbery had happened a short time before.
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And Yanez didn't believe that they matched the description. He was covering his arse for a traffic stop.
I can't speak to what he believed or did not believe, but when he called the stop in he said he believed they matched the description. Here is the description that was sent to the police:
Both suspects in the July 2 robbery were described as black men with shoulder-length or longer dreadlocks. The descriptions of the suspects included the items of clothing they each were wearing, but did not include estimated height, weight or ages.
Castile wore his hair in dreadlocks, his cousin said.
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There was no woman involved in the robbery and Yanez said both occupants of the car matched the description.
You are right that no woman was in the armed robbery, but as you noted, the robbery happened 4 days prior. So it would be reasonable that perhaps different people would be in the car....unless they had a very, very slow getaway car.
I heard the call in to dispatch about the stop, and I only remember him talk about one suspect, but I can't find the link now, and can't be certain if he did say one or two suspects.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:50 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Tinted windows, mud on your license plate, mud flaps too low, rear bumper not shiny enough, whatever...cops don't give a crap about any of that shite...they aren't pulling over white grandma with two busted tail-lights, a dragging bumper on the road creating sparks...but they sure as hell are pulling over a black guy with a criminal record because his tires look a little underflated.
It really comes down to do you believe in profiling (not racial, but geographical) when you have a limited number of resources?
Should we put equal number of police cars in safe neighborhoods and crime ridden neighborhoods? Then the excuse will be the cops are protecting white people more then black people. You can't win unless you solve the problem of crime in the first place
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:56 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Occam's razor man What is more likely, all of these black leaders in on the conspiracy to over police their own people? Or police have more contact with areas of the community that have high crime rates?
Why not both?
Much of the police activity isn't policing violent criminals. It's stop and frisking. It's traffic stops. So your bifurcation of the issue isn't borne out by police activity.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:58 am to DawgsLife
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can't speak to what he believed or did not believe, but when he called the stop in he said he believed they matched the description.
He was able to tell Castile had a wide-set nose but not that his companion was female? I'd say it's pretty good odds that he made up the part about fitting the description.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:01 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Yea, the part he left out was Yanez did say something about the occupants matched the description, but then he clarified to say the male matched the description, at that point not saying anything about the female.
You are right that no woman was in the armed robbery
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:01 pm to the808bass
What does it matter? You try to focus on a point that had nothing to do with why he got shot.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:02 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:you seem to be arguing that a cop shouldn't pull you over if they run your plate and see there is a warrant out for your arrest. But that can't be right, nobody is that stupid.
if there's a warrant out or even if they see you have a record...you get pulled over on some technical made up b.s
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:04 pm to shel311
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Yea, the part he left out was Yanez did say something about the occupants matched the description, but then he clarified to say the male matched the description, at that point not saying anything about the female.
Why don't you quote it so we can all easily see how dishonest you are willing to be in defense of a bad cop.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:05 pm to StrongSafety
I'm just dropping in to point out again that no one in this thread knows the details of the case as well as the 12 people who acquitted him no matter how many pages they go on PT pretending they do
Carry on
Carry on
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:05 pm to the808bass
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Why not both?
I'm ok with that. I guess we just disagree on how much. I think it is >90% an issue with crime in these communities and <5% an issue with intentional over policing for monetary gain. But I'm just spit balling.
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Much of the police activity isn't policing violent criminals. It's stop and frisking. It's traffic stops.
I think some police would argue that is being proactive in communities with high crime rates. I'm not saying it's the right approach, but I don't think it is a desire to generate income.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:07 pm to the808bass
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He was able to tell Castile had a wide-set nose but not that his companion was female? I'd say it's pretty good odds that he made up the part about fitting the description.
Yeah. When I saw the description I saw where he said that. You would think the dreads were what caught his attention.
Look, I am not defending the cops actions.
I think the truth lies somewhere in between the "Cops are fascists and had no reason to shoot anybody for any reason!" and "Cops are always good and do the right thing for the right reason." groups.
I think most cops are good people who want to do the right thing and genuinely fear for their safety. I also believe that there are some cops who are bigots and will go after any black man or woman they come across.
Too many people want to allow some bad experience with black people color their entire perception and paint all black people as thugs that cannot be trusted.
By the same token, I believe there are those that believe all cops are bad based upon a single run in with a cop who was rude or obsessed with his power/authority.
I have had very few bad experiences with either group. I ascribe those experiences to the individual and not to the entire group.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:09 pm to the808bass
Me: Yanez did say something about the occupants matched the description, but then he clarified to say the male matched the description, at that point not saying anything about the female.
You: Why don't you quote it so we can all easily see how dishonest you are willing to be in defense of a bad cop.
Yanez quote: "the two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery." He goes on to explain: "The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just 'cause of the wide-set nose."
Word for word exactly what I said, looks like you're the dishonest one here.
Take the L, you're way out of your depth here.
You: Why don't you quote it so we can all easily see how dishonest you are willing to be in defense of a bad cop.
Yanez quote: "the two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery." He goes on to explain: "The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just 'cause of the wide-set nose."
Word for word exactly what I said, looks like you're the dishonest one here.
Take the L, you're way out of your depth here.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:10 pm to ShortyRob
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I'm just dropping in to point out again that no one in this thread knows the details of the case as well as the 12 people who acquitted him no matter how many pages they go on PT pretending they do
Carry on
This is true, but it is simplistic, lso.
I mean, most would agree that OJ Simpson was guilty as sin, but we don't know the facts as well as the jury.
For me? I think the prosecution screwed up and Simpson was guilty.
Castile? I don't know. I could go either way by saying they both had apart in the shooting.
I do know that many people would say they would rather have a guilty man walk free than an innocent man convicted and falsely imprisoned.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:11 pm to shel311
So he did say both fit the description when they clearly did not. Just like I said.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:12 pm to DawgsLife
quote:meh
This is true, but it is simplistic, lso.
quote:the entire proceeding was televised.
I mean, most would agree that OJ Simpson was guilty as sin, but we don't know the facts as well as the jury
If this one had been, you would be on point.
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