Constitutional Scholars: How Can Trump Possibly Be Denied the Presidency?

Because McSame is an establishment uniparty cuck.


This won't work out like these elitist dumbasses think it will.

They're pissing off the side that has all the guns.

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I refuse to discuss politics with them long enough to even figure out what they're talking about

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There's no reason why you can't have a conversation with a political opponent without hostility, even if the other side is belligerent. Listening to them without arguing should be interesting enough in this case, but in order to win people over to your side you have to understand what they are thinking and where they are coming from.

Don't try to correct them, don't try to argue, no matter how ridiculous their thoughts seem. If you can be the stable, level-headed person "on the other side" they can feel comfortable talking politics with, they will eventually let their guard down to an argument such as

"What scares you about trump?"
"Hes a racist sexist bigot"
"Ok, so are you afraid he will use government like a weapon to accomplish racist sexist bigot goals?"
"Yep"
"I get you. I thought Obama used government like a weapon against political enemies and it was scary.

Now, what is the common denominator in both our fears?"
"I dont know"
"Well we are both afraid that someone we disagree with can use a powerful government as a weapon. What if we remove the ability for them to use it as a weapon?"

A discussion of Separation of Powers, Rule of Law, etc can ensue.

Yeah thats a bit simplistic and that won't be the exact conversation you have, but it has opened the eyes of a few of my lib friends.

Don't get mad at what they believe. Don't dismiss their fears as ridiculous, even if they are. The point is that they believe what they believe, and now is an opportunity to open some minds on the concept of small government and separation of powers.

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why in the hell is McCain supporting claims that Trump was elected because of Russian interference?

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Because he's a senile old establishment frick that should have been voted out a coue terms ago. frick that guy.

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What are some possible scenarios?

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There wouldn't seem to be any scenarios for a new vote.

The 20th Amendment sets the inauguration on January 20. The terms of senators and congress critters expire on January 3.

December 19 is the drop dead date to certify the electoral vote. That is next week.

They would have to set aside the clear words of the Constitution to have a new popular vote.

The Electors could refuse to vote for the candidate from their party and select Clinton.

If somehow the EC fails to elect a new president, the House votes; each state has one vote. As I say in my brilliant thread on this in more detail, the House could vote for Clinton. Her positions are more closely aligned to the Uni-Party that has been running the country in the ground for decades.

Despite the fevered fantasies of some on the left Trump is going to be sworn into office, as he should be, next month. If it doesn't happen outside of faithless electors denying his being sworn in our Republic is done, period.

Elections matter as our current president so artfully stated some years back. And they should matter.


More importantly to the left is the fall out should these allegations prove correct. That is much more interesting from the an un-emotional leftists point of view. And keep in mind that while the FBI and the CIA may disagree on Russia trying to aid Trump they both seem to agree that Russia meddled in the election in order to muddy the waters....that is not much less of an invasion of the sovereignty of the United States. Either scenario is pretty troubling.

So what is that fall out? First and foremost it could provide the "Never Trump" Republicans in Congress and the Senate the fortitude to stand their ground and prevent Trump from accomplishing much....for this reason and this reason alone Trump should be screaming the loudest for closure of this issue and not simply by stating he doesn't believe it....

The story could get much worse for Trump and the new GOP....if this story lingers and doesn't go away...or gets worse....it could well mean a lot of trouble for Republicans in states which could swing the legislature in those States and Washington in a few years. Thus preventing Trump from accomplishing much. Keep in mind that there was WAAAAAYYYYYYYYY more people who voted in this election who did not vote for Trump...and many who did vote for Trump who did so because they saw no real choice....the number of people who WANTED to vote for Trump is much smaller than the combined numbers of those who didn't or who did and held their nose to do so....the specter of his having been aided by a foreign nation won't help those numbers in any manner.


So lets say for a moment that this is just dirty pool by the left.....that this is nothing more than political chicanery. So what? Is the Trump presidency exempt from dirty politics? I can remember Democrats sniveling about the GOP blocking all things Obama....as if there were some sort of requirement that the GOP do anything. The same is true of this story in the best case scenario...that it is simply dirty politics. Trump better put his big boy pants on or get a oil tanker of Vagiseal delivered if this is going to get under his skin because he ain't seen nothing yet....his sore pussy will be untouchable by March if he thought that politicians were going to be nice.....

"Russians?"..more like the media conspiring with the DNC and DNC voter fraud attempts. We have evidence of those.

Even if the Russians did release those files to Wikileaks, they did the nation a favor exposing corruption. What was in those leaks was the truth. Not "fake news".

I'm not scared to die...especially if it's for the honor of defending our country from insurgents who have infiltrated our levels of gov't......

... an enemy doesn't have to declare war to attack us or our constitution

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might just impeach the president if he does not deliver on his campaign promises

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I don't think you understand the grounds for impeachment of a President:

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The Constitution sets specific grounds for impeachment. They are “treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors.” To be impeached and removed from office, the House and Senate must find that the official committed one of these acts.

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If "failure to keep campaign promises" was included, no President would survive his first term.

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"Russians?"..more like the media conspiring with the DNC and DNC voter fraud attempts. We have evidence of those.

Even if the Russians did release those files to Wikileaks, they did the nation a favor exposing corruption. What was in those leaks was the truth. Not "fake news".

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What corruption? I am serious...I don't know...I know that they proved that the DNC was working to get Clinton nominated and to prevent Sanders from being nominated. That isn't corruption that is simply party politics.


Did she receive favor from the mainstream media? Not admirable on the media's part but also not corrupt.

Again, corruption appears to be an emotional approach to a problem that is simply unsavory....when unsavory is enough....you don't need to villify it further....

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What are some possible scenarios?

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assuming no coup?

the only thing that can happen is a mass plan by the electors to sway the electors pledged to HRC to vote for a Kasich and then team up with never-Trumper electors who would also pick Kasich. that's IT. Hillary basically has no shot

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Not a bad argument if there was Russian hacking; all the polls up to election day indicated she should have won. How do we really know that she didn't?

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When she gets 250 people at her rally's and Trump consistently gets multiple thousands, that seems to point in a specific direction. WAIT A MINUTE!!!...all those people were Russian plants!