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re: Congress opposes Trump on trade tariff.

Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:39 pm to
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39569 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:39 pm to
Soooo, one R from Cali?

This is why we can't have nice things.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:46 pm to
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The Act to Provide a Naval Armament Page two of the Act to Provide a Naval Armament The Act to Provide a Naval Armament, also known as the Naval Act of 1794, or simply, the Naval Act, was passed by the United States Congress on March 27, 1794 to reactivate and establish a permanent standing naval force of the United States of America, which eventually became the present-day United States Navy.[1]" -wiki


A very important act, because:

"Due to harassment by the French navy on US shipping during the French Revolutionary Wars, Congress created the United States Navy and the Marine Corps. The Act to provide a Naval Armament of 27 March 1794[70] authorizing new build frigates for the war had specified the numbers of Marines to be recruited for each frigate. Marines were enlisted by the War Department as early as August 1797 for service in these frigates.[71] Daniel Carmick[72] and Lemuel Clerk[73] were commissioned as Lieutenants of Marines on 5 May 1798. Under the "Act for establishing and organizing a Marine Corps", signed on 11 July 1798 by President John Adams, the Marine Corps was to consist of a battalion of 500 privates, led by a major and a complement of officers and NCO's.[74] The next day, William Ward Burrows was appointed a major.

In the Quasi-War, Marines aboard the USS Constitution and other ships conducted raids in the waters off Hispaniola against the French and Spanish, making the first of many landings in Haiti and participating in the Battle of Puerto Plata Harbor."



The only way the United States could afford all that was by tariffs on imported goods.

Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:50 pm to
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We can take by your comments that you don't think American workers deserve or are worthy of protection by the US government.


I don't think American workers need protection by the US government.

American Workers just need the government to stop handicapping them.


Looking to the government to make an industry prosperous is a foolish plan. Get the government out of it and let American exceptionalism correct the problems.

Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:50 pm to
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So the government creates a problem.


The biggest problem -ever- created by the United States government is the abandonment of American workers and the acceptance of a globalist agenda.

We don't need globalism; we need tribalism. Anyone can be in the Tribe if they put loyalty to the Tribe first and foremost.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 9:55 pm
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:54 pm to
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I don't think American workers need protection by the US government.


I am sure you don't.

But Tariffs - to create an equal playing field, are essential to American economic success.

I am talking about Americans here, not some scum based in Dubai.

Geez, is this really worth the 4 cents a post the Clintons are paying you?
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:54 pm to
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We don't need globalism; we need tribalism. Anyone can be in the tribe if they put loyalty to the Tribe first and foremost.


Ok buddy.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:56 pm to
Sorry, just realized you are an idiot....carry on.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:56 pm to
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We don't need globalism; we need tribalism. Anyone can be in the tribe if they put loyalty to the Tribe first and foremost.


Ok buddy.


Do you know who Philip Nolan was?

LINK
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 9:58 pm
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 9:59 pm to
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Sorry, just realized you are an idiot....carry on.


I just recognized you as Philip Nolan.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:00 pm to
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Sorry, just realized you are an idiot....carry on.


How is the weather in Dubai?
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:03 pm to
TheEnemy:

"Deprived of a homeland, Nolan slowly and painfully learns the true worth of his country. He misses it more than his friends or family, more than art or music or love or nature. Without it, he is nothing. Dying aboard the USS Levant, he shows his room to an officer named Danforth; it is "a little shrine" of patriotism. The Stars and Stripes are draped around a picture of George Washington. Over his bed, Nolan has painted a bald eagle, with lightning "blazing from his beak" and claws grasping the globe. At the foot of his bed is an outdated map of the United States, showing many of its old territories that had, unbeknownst to him, been admitted to statehood. Nolan smiles, "Here, you see, I have a country!" The dying man asks desperately to be told the news of American history since 1807, and Danforth finally relates to him almost all of the major events that have happened to the U.S. since his sentence was imposed; the narrator confesses, however, that "I could not make up my mouth to tell him a word about this infernal rebellion." Nolan then asks him to bring his copy of the Presbyterian Book of Public Prayer, and read the page where it will automatically open. These are the words: "Most heartily we beseech Thee with Thy favor to behold and bless Thy servant, the President of the United States, and all others in authority." Nolan says: "I have repeated those prayers night and morning, it is now fifty-five years." Every day, he had read of the United States, but only in the form of a prayer to uphold its leaders; the U.S. Navy had neglected to keep this book from him. This is the supreme irony of the story. Nolan asks him to have them bury him in the sea and have a gravestone placed in memory of him at Fort Adams, Mississippi or at New Orleans. When he dies later that day, he is found to have drafted a suitably patriotic epitaph for himself: "In memory of PHILIP NOLAN, 'Lieutenant in the Army of the United States. He loved his country as no other man has loved her; but no man deserved less at her hands.'"

-wiki
Posted by teampick
Member since Jan 2015
2400 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:03 pm to
I see this board is still polluted with posters posing as conservatives who can't get enough of government intervention into the free market.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:09 pm to
It just seems like common sense to first De-regulate and give Tax incentives and try and keep the cost of goods low for American consumers instead of starting with a Tariff and causing an initial price increase that chances are will never go back down.

Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
21066 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:17 pm to
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But tariff's will increase the median price of goods.


Not in the long term, some company will find a way to produce the goods here cheaper to gain a competitive advantage.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:18 pm to
The Federal Government was funded almost 100 percent by tariffs between 1790 and 1860. The Rebellion in the South required extraordinary measures, these were rolled back after the war.

Anyone who opposes tariffs opposes the welfare of the United States.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:20 pm to
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some company will find a way to produce the goods here cheaper to gain a competitive advantage.


If they can produce the goods here cheaper or at the same price then why do we need a tariff?

If they can produce the goods here cheaper or at the same price then why are companies leaving?
Posted by rlebl39
League City, TX
Member since Jun 2011
4740 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:25 pm to
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Well, let's just hope that their seats go to more conservative republicans instead of democrats. Because if they're making a stand against Trump trying to keep jobs in the USA, they will get crushed in their next elections.


Since when have trade Tariffs been conservative policy? Just because Trump proposes something doesn't mean you have to blindly support it as a conservative.

Tariffs do absolutely nothing but hurt the consumer. Keep the government out of the market.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 10:33 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50709 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:28 pm to
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Fix our self inflicted wounds and then address what is fair and un-fair.


It is possible to address both simultaneously.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:32 pm to
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It is possible to address both simultaneously.


Ok, but tariff's will increase median prices.

So first, why not fix the problems and try to correct the market without increasing the price of goods for American consumers.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 10:33 pm
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17059 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:46 pm to
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So we punish the consumer by forcing them to pay more for the goods?

Foreign govt's don't pay the tariff's...American consumers will end up paying it.


Look, I am under no illusion that we'll ever be able to compete with Chinese wages. It just won't happen. We could abolish the minimum wage tomorrow and it wouldn't matter. You can't pay Americans $2 per hour and expect anyone to show up for a job interview (would you?). I am not sure tariffs will bring jobs BACK, but it might stop the few we have left from leaving.

All I am saying is that something needs to change because it's clear that the old days of making a good middle-class wage without a college degree are done (it's hard WITH a college degree). Now it's either work at Burger King or become a bank president. There's no in-between anymore.

Without the middle class, we are just like every other country in the world: a plutocracy. The middle-class is what separated America from our former masters in Britain and Europe. Over there it was just a bunch of feudal Lords and Dukes and Earls (and whatever other titles) ruling over peasants. Now we're seeing that become reality in America unfortunately.
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