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Coal industry aint coming back;Not worth enviormental pollution so GOP can claim a "win"
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:51 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:51 am
Why are cucks in this state okay with being the toilet for the rest of the country? Fertilizer from dozens of states have caused a dead zone along our coastal, massive fish kills.
Mercury levels in our water limits the amount of fish , shell fish we can consume per week. Now the coal industry will dump massive amounts of coal pollution will poison our waters. This may be a small win for coal country but it does jack shite to benefit Louisiana or the country as a whole.
Mercury levels in our water limits the amount of fish , shell fish we can consume per week. Now the coal industry will dump massive amounts of coal pollution will poison our waters. This may be a small win for coal country but it does jack shite to benefit Louisiana or the country as a whole.
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 2:11 am to Bison
US coal is now and always should be a component of rational, sane domestic energy policy. It will remain a balanced component of the utility fuel mix past our great grandchildren's lifetime.
In BTU it is not only the largest energy reserve on Earth, it is larger than all proven reserves of hydrocarbons combined.
It stores well.
It can be transported easily and safely.
Well established distribution systems exist for bringing it to market.
It is ideally suited for supporting electrical base load.
Many industries can use it as supplemental fuel in direct to heat processes.
But by all means, post some more asinine, emotional cartoons.
In BTU it is not only the largest energy reserve on Earth, it is larger than all proven reserves of hydrocarbons combined.
It stores well.
It can be transported easily and safely.
Well established distribution systems exist for bringing it to market.
It is ideally suited for supporting electrical base load.
Many industries can use it as supplemental fuel in direct to heat processes.
But by all means, post some more asinine, emotional cartoons.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 2:22 am to reverendotis
quote:
US coal is now and always should be a component of rational, sane domestic energy policy.
But it is much less rational now that it is significantly more expensive than natural gas per megawatthour. Coal is soon to be dead in the energy sector but there are still some specialty uses left. There is just very little reason economically to mine coal these days.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 2:29 am to Obtuse1
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But it is much less rational now that it is significantly more expensive than natural gas per megawatthour. Coal is soon to be dead in the energy sector but there are still some specialty uses left. There is just very little reason economically to mine coal these days.
We will be using coal long after natural gas reserves are depleted, the gas glut will not last forever.
A far better solution that is 100% feasible would be to convert vehicles to NG and continue making electricity from coal until renewables mature into a real answer.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 2:31 am to Obtuse1
In this decade, NG price per MMBTU has been six times the current spot price. Correctly predict NG price minima and maxima for the next 20 years.
I don't dislike NG by any means, I feel we should bring our resources to market as needed - all of them.
I don't dislike NG by any means, I feel we should bring our resources to market as needed - all of them.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 2:45 am to Bison
Posted on 10/10/17 at 3:25 am to Bison
I, for one, enjoy rolling black outs. Let's stop all coal mining. It's so much easier to loot when there is no power.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 3:27 am to Bison
We only have a few hundred years worth of it. Sure let's let it collect dust in the ground and never strive for energy independence because of a left wing power grab scam!
But I don't have cute cartoons
But I don't have cute cartoons
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:05 am to cave canem
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We will be using coal long after natural gas reserves are depleted, the gas glut will not last forever.
A far better solution that is 100% feasible would be to convert vehicles to NG and continue making electricity from coal until renewables mature into a real answer.
My point was NG is killing coal and coal plants keep closing due to lack of economic viability, whether coal becomes viable again in the future is unforeseeable. Nuclear and even biomass are cheaper than coal currently.
I think your suggestion for converting cars to NG is WAY off. Electric cars are on the brink of wide spread viability and the distribution network for electricity is already there. Going NG with cars would require a huge realignment of the auto industries path and a huge infrastructure initiative. Much better to go electric and use NG to produce the power. We will always be generating electricity and could continue to use electric vehicles until a cleaner and more energy dense solution for cars becomes viable. Once ground transportation is all electric we can concentrate on generating power cheaper, cleaner and in a more sustainable way as well as focusing on storage options to make the non-dispatchable generation tech like wind more into dispatchable sources.
In the end coal is dying now, and mainly only feasible in the East via mountain top removal (which I think is abhorant). This does not mean that we can't revert back to coal if/when the other options prevent can't meet our needs.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:11 am to gthog61
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We only have a few hundred years worth of it. Sure let's let it collect dust in the ground and never strive for energy independence because of a left wing power grab scam!
Two things:
Why use it when it is not the cheapest option? Never mind it is one of the dirtier options.
What part of the "left wing power grab" in regards to energy moves away from energy independence unless you are suggesting wind and sun need to be imported. I get how these along with NG, hydro, nuclear, biomass etc might not be able to cover our needs at some point in the future but unless we sell off our coal we continue to have those reserves for use in the future if need be.
Coal plants are closing because there are several cheaper options available and we still have the diversity and dispatchabilty we need to meet our needs.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:29 am to reverendotis
My industry needs the fly ash. Keep coal production.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 4:47 am to Dick Leverage
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My industry needs the fly ash
Concrete?
Just curious what are the alternatives in your industry?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:09 am to Obtuse1
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Why use it when it is not the cheapest option? Never mind it is one of the dirtier options.
right, all those coal trains that roll by my home every single fricking day roll on by because it is so expensive
It is the cheapest option for all the plants that are already built.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:23 am to gthog61
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It is the cheapest option for all the plants that are already built.
Sure it is cheaper on a short term basis if you already have the plant built. Coal plants are closing in record numbers with over 20 slated to close in the next few years. They are closing based on market projections, simple business.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:33 am to Obtuse1
I found a good quote, but it is from a flaming piece of prog filth:
“The coal business in the United States has kind of died,” Koch said during a phone interview Friday, “so we’re out of the coal business now.”
That is Bill Koch who has only made a few billion from coal.
“The coal business in the United States has kind of died,” Koch said during a phone interview Friday, “so we’re out of the coal business now.”
That is Bill Koch who has only made a few billion from coal.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:39 am to Obtuse1
quote:
“The coal business in the United States has kind of died,”
Kind of like saying "in actuality, the minute you're born is the minute you start dying also", so since we will eventually die let's just go ahead and end it now?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:47 am to reverendotis
quote:It really is a dying power source outside of Kentucky and West Virginia. It doesn't transport well and other sources are much more efficient.
It will remain a balanced component of the utility fuel mix past our great grandchildren's lifetime.
Nuclear power will kill it over the next 10-20 years. But it will still be in the ground if we ever need it again.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:53 am to mmcgrath
Nuclear power? Don't make me laugh your ilk will fight that to the bitter end.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 5:58 am to mmcgrath
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It really is a dying power source outside of Kentucky and West Virginia.
Do you even check your opinionated facts before posting? The article is from April of this year.
quote:
Coal Production on the Rise in Wyoming
CASPER, Wyo. (AP) — Coal production in Wyoming has increased in the first three months of the year, but employment at coal mines in the state is still down by nearly 700 workers.
The figures were released as Wyoming's coal industry has been working to come back from a low point in 2016, when hundreds of miners were laid off as the three largest producers went through bankruptcy, the Casper Star-Tribune reported (LINK ) Sunday.
Annual coal production in the state slipped below 300 million tons, the lowest since 1998.
Production began to rebound in late 2016, and the 18 coal mines in the state produced 80 million tons of coal from January to March this year, nearly 15 million tons more than the same period in 2016, according to Wyoming State Geological Survey preliminary data.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 6:07 am to Homesick Tiger
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Kind of like saying "in actuality, the minute you're born is the minute you start dying also", so since we will eventually die let's just go ahead and end it now?
I am pretty sure that is not remotely what Bill Koch meant. He was saying I have squeezed every reasonable penny out of this industry and I am taking my billions I made on coal and moving it to places that I can make more money. Plus he is not the only one that seems to feel this way, high level coal execs have been making an exodus for several years now even when the companies offered them huge retention bonuses. In 2016 25% of coal production was in bankruptcy. In 2005 50% of US electricity was generated from coal, 10 years later it was 30%.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 6:12 am
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