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Circumstantial vs Direct Evidence re: Trump FBI investigation
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:21 pm
Circumstantial evidence is going to sleep with no snow on the ground and waking up with snow everywhere.
Direct Evidence is video of the snow falling.
Using this as an analogy for this FBI Trump investigation, we will probably not get video of the snow falling. We will likely be forced to work with circumstantial evidence.
It’s important to note that people are convicted of crimes based on circumstantial evidence EVERYDAY. In fact people have been executed based solely on circumstantial evidence.
When the investigation is complete, as much of the evidence as possible should be declassified and the American people should decide from there. It will likely fall on partisan grounds, but we need to know ASAP.
Direct Evidence is video of the snow falling.
Using this as an analogy for this FBI Trump investigation, we will probably not get video of the snow falling. We will likely be forced to work with circumstantial evidence.
It’s important to note that people are convicted of crimes based on circumstantial evidence EVERYDAY. In fact people have been executed based solely on circumstantial evidence.
When the investigation is complete, as much of the evidence as possible should be declassified and the American people should decide from there. It will likely fall on partisan grounds, but we need to know ASAP.
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:24 pm to tigerinDC09
"The American people" are largely ignorant of politics, government, and law. They are also incredibly impulsive, fickle, and run rampant on misinformed social media crusades every other day. "The American people" shouldn't get to decide a single bit of this, it is exactly why we elect legislators.
Full disclosure from the government IS NOT in the country's best interest. People are too stupid
Full disclosure from the government IS NOT in the country's best interest. People are too stupid
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:25 pm to tigerinDC09
Thank you for correcting the record or whatever it's called now.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:27 pm to tigerinDC09
Are u saying that Trump should be hung without actual evidence ever leading him to being a Russian associate?
There's more evidence showing Obama used the IRS to go after opposition and gave ransom money to a terrorist nation.
There's more evidence showing Obama used the IRS to go after opposition and gave ransom money to a terrorist nation.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:28 pm to tigerinDC09
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When the investigation is complete, as much of the evidence as possible should be declassified and the American people should decide from there. It will likely fall on partisan grounds, but we need to know ASAP.
Great post and I wish this were the case. Sadly, I believe there aren't many Trump supporters willing to look at evidence objectively. It's much easier to remain ignorant and yell "Fake News!" if it doesn't support you're narrative.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:28 pm to tigerinDC09
Basically, you are saying there is no evidence but go with the conjecture as proof. Nah I'm good.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:29 pm to Dignan
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Great post and I wish this were the case. Sadly, I believe there aren't many Trump supporters willing to look at evidence objectively. It's much easier to remain ignorant and yell "Fake News!" if it doesn't support you're narrative.
What evidence? That's the whole problem.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:29 pm to tigerinDC09
I'm sure that sounded good in your head.
In real life, not so much.
In real life, not so much.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:30 pm to Deuces
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Are u saying that Trump should be hung without actual evidence ever leading him to being a Russian associate?
That's exactly what he's saying. He's talking about circumstantial evidence...but what he really means is that any plausible explanation that connects the dots is enough.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:32 pm to moneyg
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at's exactly what he's saying. He's talking about circumstantial evidence...but what he really means is that any plausible explanation that connects the dots is enough.
So guilty until proven innocent.
They have about as much info posted the past 8 months as Trump was at the same party as the Russian ambassador.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:32 pm to Deuces
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What evidence? That's the whole problem.
As mentioned in the briefing, it's highly classified. We can't know until it's declassified.
Since some of the evidence is linked to sources and methods, we may never know some of the evidence.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:33 pm to tigerinDC09
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It’s important to note that people are convicted of crimes based on circumstantial evidence EVERYDAY. In fact people have been executed based solely on circumstantial evidence.
When the investigation is complete, as much of the evidence as possible should be declassified and the American people should decide from there. It will likely fall on partisan grounds, but we need to know ASAP.
You mean the circumstantial evidence of Trump Towers being under surveillance? Because I agree 100% they were listening in on Trump.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:34 pm to TidenUP
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Basically, you are saying there is no evidence but go with the conjecture as proof. Nah I'm good.
I'm saying that we don't and probably won't know all of the evidence because of classification.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:34 pm to tigerinDC09
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As mentioned in the briefing, it's highly classified. We can't know until it's declassified. Since some of the evidence is linked to sources and methods, we may never know some of the evidence.
So they can basically say I'm guilty of murder of a person I've never seen before but they can classify the evidence where it can never be seen and give me the death penalty by saying, "Believe us, it happened. We're the government. We're always right."
Banana republic.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:35 pm to Dignan
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Great post and I wish this were the case. Sadly, I believe there aren't many Trump supporters willing to look at evidence objectively. It's much easier to remain ignorant and yell "Fake News!" if it doesn't support you're narrative.
Clapper and several intel officials have said there is no collusion between Trump and Russia. Hell, Comey said it again today?
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:35 pm to Deuces
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So guilty until proven innocent.
I have never said that Trump is guilty of anything.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:36 pm to Rakim
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Hell, Comey said it again today?
Comey also said that there is NO EVIDENCE to corroborate Trump's wire tap claims.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:37 pm to tigerinDC09
No you are wanting people to go along with it because you think conjecture=circumstantial evidence=proof. Just admit that you go with it because of confirmation bias and stop trying to make it more than it is.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:37 pm to tigerinDC09
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I have never said that Trump is guilty of anything.
If they were to ever convict Trump on "circumstantial evidence" of the establishment's bidding, I do not think the results would be great for the country.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:37 pm to tigerinDC09
So this is the fall back position now?
Cuz if it is, Comey needs to apply it to Hillary, too
Cuz if it is, Comey needs to apply it to Hillary, too
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