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SlowFlowPro
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re: Carter: Obama's actions "would be illegal" & unlikely to help

yeah carter was an idealist and not a pragmatist...probably the biggest example of this since WWII

leadership often flows through pragmatic decision-making, so it's no shocker that he struggled with this


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Great Presidents should have a certain degree of ruthlessness, and be willing to sell out their own mothers if it's in the country's best interest.


Yeah, kind old grandfatherly Lincoln, FDR and Reagan had no qualms about bringing the pain if necessary. Guys like Woodrow Wilson and Jimmuh Carter - not so much.


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re: Carter: Obama's actions "would be illegal" & unlikely to help
carter is a guy who had goals (in his true idealism) but had no idea how to get there

this led to some pure comedy


Lima Whiskey
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re: Carter: Obama's actions "would be illegal" & unlikely to help
At least Carter served.


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CarrolltonTiger
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Guys like Woodrow Wilson and Jimmuh Carter - not so much.


Wilson intervened in Mexico, Haiti and Dominican Republic with troops, brought us into WWI, he used more force internationally than almost any previous President. There is no conflict between using just force and having some form of normal international relations.

Wilson may have been moral and opposed to colonialism but that doesn't make him an idiot like Obama.


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There is no conflict between using just force and having some form of normal international relations.


The point is - he wasn't ruthless. He was very indecisive. I don't think he was very effective, either.

We had little strategic interest in entering WWI - the League of Nations was a disaster, and the successor to that, the UN has been even worse. I'm not arguing he had bad intentions, I just think he is way, way overrated as a President (as are many Democratic darlings, Clinton included.)

Likewise, Republican Presidents are commonly (not always, they are on Lincoln's jock, big time) underrated. Herbert Hoover was dealt a really bad hand and is given no credit for what he had to deal with - although I don't think he should be at the top, he should be higher, generally. Likewise, W is typically ranked down in the bottom 25%, with Grant, Buchanan, Harding, and that lot. Reagan is commonly, scandalously, ranked behind LBJ, who is somehow up there with the pack including the younger Founding Fathers.

Just silly the hindsight and revisionism that goes in to pursuing a particular agenda. In the one poll that included POTUS, he's several spots ahead of Reagan, JQ Adams and H.W. Bush.


FightinTigersDammit
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re: Carter: Obama's actions "would be illegal" & unlikely to help
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nuclear physicist


Not a nuclear physicist. He admitted as such when pressed on the topic. Nuclear engineer is more accurate, by his own admission.


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FightinTigersDammit
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re: Carter: Obama's actions "would be illegal" & unlikely to help
Hey, Ace, who rates the presidents? Historians, who are overwhelmingly liberal.


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TrueTiger
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Carter is correct in this case.



the old blind hog can still find an acorn now and then


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ljhog
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This board thinks Carter is a hack. So whatever he has to say...wait, it goes against Obama's admin? Well then he's a fricking genius!!

Nope, he's still an idiot.


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