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re: Can anyone logically defend the 21 drinking age law?

Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:30 am to
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:30 am to
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I think some stats show that drunk driving deaths decreased, but that coincided with safer cars...
Which is why I said "alcohol related incidents"... a death doesn't have to occur.

That way the argument of safer cars is removed.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26934 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:31 am to
I don't deny there are arguments. There can be an argument for anything. It doesn't mean it's logical.

My main argument is that there should be an established age of majority. It doesn't make sense to say that you are an adult for this purpose, but not for this purpose.

I don't have a problem with a 21 drinking age, but the voting age, military enlistment age, etc., should be raised as well.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20923 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:34 am to
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alcohol to an immature brain might cause harm (though I don't remember specifics or have any studies to cite, but Google can probably help here). The brain doesn't fully develop until the mid 20's.


That should disqualify 17 year olds from enlisting in our armed forces.
Posted by NotoriousFSU
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2008
10258 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:35 am to
Because the only problems with alcohol are automobile related???
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35621 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:35 am to
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Can anyone logically defend the 21 drinking age law?


No.

Europe is actually right on this.

Can drink if you can see over the bar.

Can't drive until 21.

We let idiots on the road regardless of drink... Twitter, texting, favorite teenage song.

Raise the driving age.

Drinking should have no age. Parents teaching personal responsibility...What a concept?
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 10:38 am
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27324 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:42 am to
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I don't deny there are arguments. There can be an argument for anything. It doesn't mean it's logical. My main argument is that there should be an established age of majority. It doesn't make sense to say that you are an adult for this purpose, but not for this purpose. I don't have a problem with a 21 drinking age, but the voting age, military enlistment age, etc., should be raised as well.
No, even if you dislike it it's a perfectly logical argument.

It makes perfect sense to have different ages for things. You may be mature enough to do one thing but not mature enough to do another thing.

Now, you may disagree with the law as to which ages should correspond with which event, but it is perfectly logical that different events have different levels of responsibility.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129037 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:46 am to
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gamble (except on Indian Reservations, which are mostly 18).


All of the casinos out here in AZ are Indian Res ones.....and you still have to be 21
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:48 am to
There is no defending it. It is a completely arbitrary concoction motivated by any logical argument made by emotionally driven people and groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving. It is a classic example of the do something mentality. The argument that it supposedly reduces drunk driving is stupid. Raising the age to 50 would reduce drunk driving also. That doesn't make it good f****** policy
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112601 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:51 am to
In 1950 the legal drinking age in New Iberia was about 6. That's when you were old enough to use one of these:



We didn't have pull tabs, pop tops or screw caps back in those days.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:53 am to
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Can anyone logically defend the 21 drinking age law?
Very easy to logically explain the illogical reasoning of the government: if common sense was instituted, there would be less need for the government. So it must create complicated and illogical policies so that there are more problems for it solve. It's self-preservation, and we allow it at our own expense.
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 10:54 am
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145253 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:54 am to
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The brain doesn't fully develop until the mid 20's.

what does medical evidence say about people smoking cigarettes at 18 compared to drinking at 18?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26934 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:26 am to
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You may be mature enough to do one thing but not mature enough to do another thing.


I agree for individuals. I've known extremely mature 15-year-olds and immature 25-year-olds.

You can't do it a person-by-person basis, though.

Are you making the argument that a person that is mature enough to enlist in the armed forces, may not be mature enough to have a beer?

Because that is completely illogical.
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24915 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:31 am to
You can enlist at 17 with your parents signature.
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24915 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:33 am to
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Nope

16 year olds shouldn't be allowed to drive though IMO.



Some states license them at 15.

I got my motorcycle license when I was 14.

This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 11:34 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101662 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:37 am to
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This is a tough one for me. Think about how stupid you were at 21, double that, and you get 18.

The libertarian in me is also conflicted. If we were to change it to 18, why not just abolish the age restriction completely. Why 18?

I think 19 or 20 is a reasonable change because that excludes HS kids.

A physiological argument: it could be hypothesized that those close to the legal age are more likely to think themselves ready to drink and are more likely to drink underage. If we were to move the age to 18 15-17 year olds would then be the ones more likely to underage drink. Drinking alcohol to get drunk at an age where you are still developing your body and brain is not a good thing to do..


Disregarding the medical arguments, I've always been of the mindset that's it's better to get such shite out of your system sooner rather than later. I feel like this 21 drinking age is just another of the many things we are doing to stunt the progress to adulthood of the youth of today.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:40 am to
After you graduate HS you are issued a stand on your DL saying you can legally purchase alcohol. If you drop out and get a GED, you can't get that stamp until 19 y/o
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68425 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:41 am to
No. It should be 25. The brain is not fully developed until then.
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
36199 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:47 am to
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Marry, enlist, buy tobacco, vote, jail, death penalty, civil liability, and the list goes on.


Which one of these seriously impairs judgment by messing with the chemicals in your brain?

Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
140462 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:51 am to
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No. It should be 25. The brain is not fully developed until then.
yay lets be nannies and tell grown ups what they can and can't do.



High sugar content fricks with insulin levels messing up hormone growth and regulation. Should have to be 21 to buy anything with high fructose corn syrup
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26934 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:52 am to
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Which one of these seriously impairs judgment by messing with the chemicals in your brain?


The military, prison and the death penalty can have serious affect on your health.

Tobacco is one of the biggest killers in this country.


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