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re: BREAKING: Trump describes process of how he declassified documents found at Mar-a-Lago

Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:03 pm to
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:03 pm to
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Do you have a link to that? I’m genuinely curious.



The links are hard to find now. We went over it on here when it happened.

https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2018/11/04/under-obama-the-cia-suffered-a-catastrophic-disaster-n120970
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:05 pm to
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They don’t care if they find anything.



That's why we will probably never see the affidavit.
Posted by The1TrueTiger
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:08 pm to
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The President gets to say what should and should be declassified. The end.


Not so, their are clasified documents that can't be declassified due to national security risks.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:09 pm to
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Not so, their are clasified documents that can't be declassified due to national security risks.


Says who?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:10 pm to
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Not so, their are clasified documents that can't be declassified due to national security risks.


Constitutionally this is false.
Posted by Hahawg
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:12 pm to
If you take this defense as true and fully legal (setting aside that none of the statutes in the search warrant depend on classification), you're still cool with it? Under this approach, if he took national security information home, then it's declassified and anyone can obtain it through FOIA request. Lets say, he took home information on planned troop movement, foreign sources for intel, etc. That all became fair game for anyone to obtain as soon as it left with him because it no longer has its classification?

I get wanting the FBI to look bad or Trump not to go to jail, but how is that even remotely wise or good?
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:13 pm to
All of that is completely irrelevant. And wild speculation.
Posted by Hahawg
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:14 pm to
It's not irrelevant. It's the entire statement. Why would you have a standing order to declassify information that went home with you if you did not take classified information?
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:15 pm to
You don't think W took information to the ranch? Obama to the bath house?
Posted by Hahawg
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:17 pm to
THAT'S irrelevant. They never said they declassified any information they took with them. Once it's declassified there's no justification for keeping it from the public.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:17 pm to
It’s irrelevant because the only things that are relevant are:

Was it legal

Was a raid of MAL necessary
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:17 pm to
So they took classified information home, not Trump? Ok
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:19 pm to
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THAT'S irrelevant. They never said they declassified any information they took with them. Once it's declassified there's no justification for keeping it from the public.


And the President gets to decide what the public gets to see.

So…what is your point?
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:19 pm to
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you're still cool with it?


You really think there is information threating to our national security in his basement?

Posted by Hahawg
Member since Jan 2013
729 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:20 pm to
I asked if it was wise or a good idea to do that. Not if it was legal to declassify any document that goes out the door. To the contrary, I said lets assume it's a perfectly legal explanation. The implications are still astounding.

As to whether a "raid" was necessary, no one will know until the affidavit underlying the search warrant is unsealed. There are plenty of fact patterns that would make it necessary and plenty that would make it unnecessary.
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:22 pm to
Regret your vote for the big guy?
Posted by Hahawg
Member since Jan 2013
729 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:23 pm to
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So…what is your point?


My point is clearly that there are plenty of secrets the President presumably shouldn't make public (e.g., our own foreign agent identities, nuclear weapons programs, etc.) A blanket declassification of anything that gets taken home seems incredibly dangerous even if it is legal.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63407 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:23 pm to
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The implications are still astounding.


How can you be astounded without knowing the content? Do you think every classified document is a list of the names and locations of assets, and the launch codes?

Eta
quote:

My point is clearly that there are plenty of secrets the President presumably shouldn't make public (e.g., our own foreign agent identities, nuclear weapons programs, etc.


Why yes, yes you do.
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 10:24 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:24 pm to
The President gets to decide what “should” be made public. Not you or your ilk.

So again, your points are entirely irrelevant

quote:

seems incredibly dangerous even if it is legal.


An the ole “seems” aka perception which is what this is about anyway.
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 10:25 pm
Posted by tommy2tone1999
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6826 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 10:25 pm to
Doesn't even come close to "what difference does it make"
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