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re: Article- 86% off strident conservatives think the poor "have it easy" in America
Posted on 6/28/14 at 11:18 pm to mmcgrath
Posted on 6/28/14 at 11:18 pm to mmcgrath
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I thought that people were only upset at income taxes?
you haven't been paying attention
most small government people want a sales tax to cover a very limited government
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Posted on 6/28/14 at 11:28 pm to Tiguar
They don't have it easy.
But they do have it better than poor in some other countries I agree. They also don't have it as good as the poor in some countries.
Always with the "liberals"--generalization, just as bad as saying the "conservatives'.
BTW we live in the same city.
But they do have it better than poor in some other countries I agree. They also don't have it as good as the poor in some countries.
Always with the "liberals"--generalization, just as bad as saying the "conservatives'.
BTW we live in the same city.
This post was edited on 6/28/14 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 6/29/14 at 12:21 am to mmcgrath
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How is the crime in these communities? Schools?
Seeing that the schools are free to attend through high school, they're far better off with even a shitty urban education than in other countries where there may not be any free schools or only through grade school.
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 12:22 am
Posted on 6/29/14 at 7:12 am to mmcgrath
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How is the crime in these communities? Schools?/quote]
Crime is usually bad. Poor people tend to make bad choices time and time again.
[quote]A lot of owners / managers of section 8 housing are the biggest slumlords.
A lot of people who claim to know what they are talking about on message boards have no idea how things like section 8 actually works.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 7:36 am to Eurocat
When a large portion of the 'poor' are obese, covered in tattoos, sporting bling and the latest cell phones, come home to flat screen TVs, have no impetus to find a job - - yeah, I'd say they 'have it easy.'
Just because they don't have everything their envious mind can desire, doesn't mean they 'have it bad' in terms of day-to-day existence.
Where they 'have it bad' is in the fact that they are not challenged to be better than what they are - but if given a choice to take a path to greater accomplishment, more than '86%' percent of them would decline = 'nah, that's to hard - nomesayn?'
Just because they don't have everything their envious mind can desire, doesn't mean they 'have it bad' in terms of day-to-day existence.
Where they 'have it bad' is in the fact that they are not challenged to be better than what they are - but if given a choice to take a path to greater accomplishment, more than '86%' percent of them would decline = 'nah, that's to hard - nomesayn?'
Posted on 6/29/14 at 7:47 am to mmcgrath
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Some poor people
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Not all poor people have
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Most don't have
soooo - we should enact laws to ensure that NOT ONE SINGLE HUMAN BEING ever misses a meal that is not as nutritious and appetizing as a typical '86%er' meal - or should ever be without an '86%er' home, or car, or insurance - or should have to live in a neighborhood different than an '86%er' ???
Regardless of cost or effectiveness of any government policy to eliminate these 'abuses?'
The only thing that matters to you is that we need new laws to 'do something' so we can spend more time demonizing those of us who correctly understand that it is the very 'do-good' laws that have created the situation you blame the '86%ers' for?
Posted on 6/29/14 at 7:56 am to ChineseBandit58
We already spent trillions on the 'war on poverty' and the percentage of poor hardly budged.
It may be the most wasteful war we've ever had.
It may be the most wasteful war we've ever had.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:31 am to TrueTiger
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We already spent trillions on the 'war on poverty' and the percentage of poor hardly budged.
It may be the most wasteful war we've ever had
There is no reason to lift yourself from poverty when you would have to work (vs collecting a free check, housing, food, etc) to receive the same benefits and slowly improve your life.
It's work to lift yourself from poverty status, and, if you haven't realized, most of the poor don't want to work at all.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 12:07 pm to Zahrim
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Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio. Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.
No wonder the number of people in the middle class is declining in the U.S.A.
They're being redefined as being poor.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 1:39 pm to Eurocat
The problem here is with the question wording by the Pew Research Center. I got on the Pew web page and took their survey, which is comprised of a series of paired statements that leave little room for a nuanced middle ground. What Pew needed to do was to give survey respondents a range of choices. With this kind of range we would have seen very few respondents answer at either extreme. The way the question was worded it made it inevitable that you would have some (many) answer the question in a way to convey that the poor "have it easy."
Eurocrat wants to make a big deal of this, but this is merely a methodological artifact that misrepresents the true views of American respondents.
Eurocrat wants to make a big deal of this, but this is merely a methodological artifact that misrepresents the true views of American respondents.
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