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re: Abraham Lincoln monument torched in Chicago: ‘An absolute disgraceful act’
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:31 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:31 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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Lincoln couldn't be a racist because no one was a racist when he was alive.
You are not only wrong but you are insane. Holy shite.
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:32 pm to MrLarson
I'm not surprised because on September 18, 1858 Lincoln made a speech at Charleston, Illinois, in which he said:
Lincoln later stated in reply to a statement made by Judge Douglas:
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Abraham Lincoln was a racist and a white supremacist so all his statues on public property should be immediately removed and any public buildings named after him should have their names changed.
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While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races -- that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making VOTERS or jurors of negroes, NOR OF QUALIFYING THEM HOLD OFFICE, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.
Lincoln later stated in reply to a statement made by Judge Douglas:
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Judge DOUGLAS has said to you that he has not been able to get from me an answer to the question whether I am in favor of negro citizenship. So far as I know the Judge never asked me the question before. He shall have no occasion to ever ask it again, for I tell him very frankly that I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF NEGRO CITIZENSHIP. This furnishes me an occasion for saying a few words upon the subject. I mentioned in a certain speech of mine which has been printed, that the Supreme Court had decided that a negro could not possibly be made a citizen, and without saying what was my ground of complaint in regard to that, or whether I had any ground of complaint, Judge DOUGLAS has from that thing manufactured nearly every thing that he ever says about my disposition to produce an equality between the negroes and the white people. If any one will read my speech, he will find I mentioned that as one of the points decided in the course of the Supreme Court opinions, but I did not state what objection I had to it. But Judge DOUGLAS tells the people what my objection was when I did not tell them myself. Now my opinion is that the different States have the power to make a negro a citizen under the Constitution of the United States if they choose. The Dred Scott decision decides that they have not that power. If the State of Illinois had that power, I SHOULD BE OPPOSED TO THE EXERCISE OF IT. That is all I have to say about it.
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Abraham Lincoln was a racist and a white supremacist so all his statues on public property should be immediately removed and any public buildings named after him should have their names changed.
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:35 pm to NIH
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ime to take down the Lincoln memorial and put up the sassy black housekeeper he employed that really was behind his tenure as president.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:37 pm to roadGator
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The terms 'racist' and 'racism' were not used prior to the 1930's so you'd be wrong. Not a big surprise.
I swear you are one smarmy old coot and full of shite.
Well, I was right about this. The words 'racist' and 'racism' were not used in Lincoln's life time or until well after. Until the 1930's like I said.
LINK
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:40 pm to roadGator
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You are not only wrong but you are insane. Holy shite.
No shite.
Goes to show people have no idea what racism really means
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:46 pm to Codythetiger
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Man, so now we are destroying the people who ended slavery?
Uncle Tom's Cabin might be the most poignant book written that decries slavery.
Yet it has been banned from schools for a long time now.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:47 pm to SirWinston
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Time to take down the Lincoln memorial and put up the sassy black housekeeper he employed that really was behind his tenure as president.
Elizabeth Keckley
Born February 1818
Dinwiddie County Court House, Dinwiddie, Virginia
Died May 1907 (aged 89)
Washington, D.C.
Occupation Seamstress, Author
Children George Kirkland
Elizabeth Hobbs Keckley (sometimes spelled Keckly;[1] February 1818 – May 1907)[2] was a former slave who became a successful seamstress, civil activist, and author in Washington, DC. She was best known as the personal modiste and confidante of Mary Todd Lincoln, the First Lady. Keckley had moved to Washington in 1860 after buying her freedom and that of her son in St. Louis. She created an independent business in the capital based on clients who were the wives of the government elite. Among them were Varina Davis, wife of Jefferson Davis; and Mary Anna Custis Lee, wife of Robert E. Lee.
After the American Civil War, Keckley wrote and published an autobiography, Behind the Scenes: Or, Thirty Years a Slave and Four Years in the White House (1868). It was both a slave narrative and a portrait of the First Family, especially Mary Todd Lincoln, and is considered controversial for breaking privacy about them. It was also her claim as a businesswoman to be part of the new mixed-race, educated middle-class that was visible among the leadership of the black community.[citation needed]
Keckley's relationship with Mary Todd Lincoln, the President's wife, was notable for its personal quality and intimacy, as well as its endurance over time."
-wiki
A very great lady.
Thirty Years a Slave: A Chapter In The Life OF Elizabeth Keckley
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:54 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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Well, I was right about this. The words 'racist' and 'racism' were not used in Lincoln's life time or until well after. Until the 1930's like I said.
I already showed you that you were wrong. Can you just back peddle gracefully? Move the goals posts far enough though and you could get less and less wrong I suppose if you want to try that.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:55 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:59 pm to roadGator
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I already showed you that you were wrong. Can you just back peddle gracefully? Move the goals posts far enough though and you could get less and less wrong I suppose if you want to try that.
My chart shows clearly that those words didn't exist in the lexicon until well after Lincoln's death.
You are welcome to your little 1902 "Gotcha."
"...in the wake of the assassination, editors, generals and public officials across the South voiced the opinion that the region had lost its best friend. Indignation meetings, so-called, were convened in many places. Lincoln stood for peace, mercy, and forgiveness. His loss, therefore, was a calamity for the defeated states. This opinion was sometimes ascribed to Jefferson Davis, even though he stood accused of complicity in the assasination....He [Davis] read the telegram and when it brought an exultant shout raised his hand to check the demonstration..[b]."He had power over the Northern people," Davis wrote in his memoir of the war," and was without malignity to the southern people."
...Alone of the southern apologists, [Alexander] Stephens held Lincoln in high regard. "The Union with him in sentiment," said the Georgian, "rose to the sublimnity of religious mysticism...in 1873 "Little Elick" Stephens, who again represented his Georgia district in Congress, praised Lincoln for his wisdom, kindness and generosity in a well-publicized speech seconding the acceptance of the gift of Francis B. Carpenter's famous painting of Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation."
L to R in front: Stanton, Chase, Lincoln, SecNav Welles and Seward.
...[in 1880] a young law student at the University of Virginia, Thomas Woodrow Wilson, speaking for the southern generation that grew to maturity after the war, declared, "I yield to no one precedence in love of the South. But because I love the South, I rejoice in the failure of the Confederacy"...the leading propenent of that creed was Henry W. Grady, editor of the Atlanta Constitution. In 1886 Grady, thirty-six years old, was invited to address the New England Society of New York, on the 266th anniversary to the landing of the Pilgrims at Plymouth. General Sherman, seated on the platform, was an honored guest, and the band played [I am not making this up] "Marching Through Georgia" before Grady was introduced.
Pronouncing the death of the Old South, he lauded the New South of Union and freedom and progress. And he offered Lincoln as the vibrant symbol not alone of reconciliation but of American character. "Lincoln," he said, "comprehended within himself all the strength, and gentleness, all the majesty and grace of the republic." He was indeed, the first American, "the sum of Puritan and Cavalier, in whose ardent nature were fused the virtues of both, and in whose great soul the faults of both were lost."
--From "Lincoln in American Memory" by Merrill D. Peterson P. 46-48
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 7:01 pm to WhiskeyPapa
There is no gotcha with correcting your error. Just change your post so that it's accurate and move on. No big deal.
I'm not even sure how to start with your crazy assertion that racism didn't exist in Lincoln's time.
That's just too fricked up. I can't believe you can say that with a straight face. Wait, you were kidding, weren't you. Funny guy.
I'm not even sure how to start with your crazy assertion that racism didn't exist in Lincoln's time.
That's just too fricked up. I can't believe you can say that with a straight face. Wait, you were kidding, weren't you. Funny guy.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 7:06 pm to MrLarson
Lol, I hope they eventually start tearing down all those monuments that honor Abe Lincoln, George Washington, etc. Payback to all the idiots on this board that wanted the confederate flag removed. I even told several fellow gamecock fans, they would start targeting the monuments.
Slippery slope boys.
ETA: frick Nikki Hayley for starting all of this.
Slippery slope boys.
ETA: frick Nikki Hayley for starting all of this.
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 7:08 pm to WhiskeyPapa
quote:I didn't say he was a racist. I suggested that antifascists must think he is a racist by their own standards.
Lincoln couldn't be a racist because no one was a racist when he was alive.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 7:11 pm to roadGator
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I'm not even sure how to start with your crazy assertion that racism didn't exist in Lincoln's time.
The answer is simple but probably beyond you.
People in the 19th century simply didn't think in those terms. That is why it isn't fair or useful to hold them responsible for modern day values.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 7:13 pm to genro
quote:
Lincoln couldn't be a racist because no one was a racist when he was alive.
I didn't say he was a racist. I suggested that antifascists must think he is a racist by their own standards.
So that is an opinion you hold. Any corroboration?
Posted on 8/17/17 at 7:14 pm to WhiskeyPapa
I don't care about your feelings of fairness.
Slave owners were then and always will be racists.
Your apologizing for Lincoln is weird. You can say you love him even though we was a racist but you won't be able to say he wasn't a racist at all. That's just dumb.
Racist statues must go. Bye, bye Lincoln. POS racist scumbag
Since you love google so much...
About Jefferson but is 100% applicable to Lincoln.
Slave owners were then and always will be racists.
Your apologizing for Lincoln is weird. You can say you love him even though we was a racist but you won't be able to say he wasn't a racist at all. That's just dumb.
Racist statues must go. Bye, bye Lincoln. POS racist scumbag
Since you love google so much...
About Jefferson but is 100% applicable to Lincoln.
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Jefferson owned slaves. He did not believe that all were created equal. He was a racist, incapable of rising above the thought of his time and place, and willing to profit from slave labor.
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 7:25 pm to WhiskeyPapa
It's not an opinion. It's a conclusion.
I COMPLETELY AGREE with you that calling anyone prior to the 20th century racist is absurd. If you foolishly consider RE Lee 'racist' because you are applying today's standards you must also consider old Abe the same. Feel free to explain how this logical conclusion is incorrect
I COMPLETELY AGREE with you that calling anyone prior to the 20th century racist is absurd. If you foolishly consider RE Lee 'racist' because you are applying today's standards you must also consider old Abe the same. Feel free to explain how this logical conclusion is incorrect
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 7:27 pm to WhiskeyPapa
This book came out in the mid '90s.
Dr. Wills' premise is that President Lincoln played a magician's trick on the American People -- What he called an "intellectual slight of hand."
The Americans who were resisting the Slave Power's rebellion had as their bedrock of American value the United States Constitution.
In three minutes Lincoln removed that bedrock and replaced it with another. That new touch stone was the Declaration of Independence.
Lincoln's invitation to the dedication of the Gettysburg cemetery (by coincidence by a David Wills) was an afterthought. Lincoln was ill, suffering from a variation of typhoid fever. He insisted on goring, and moreover, although Gettysburg was only a 4 hour train ride, he insisted that his party be in town the night before. He didn't want to miss this opportunity.
"Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate-we can not consecrate-we can not hallow-this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us-that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion-that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain-that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom-and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth."
Lincoln put the premise to the American people - "All Men Are Created Equal."
And they bought it.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 7:28 pm to genro
Damn. I'll step away now. Sorry about that. There's a term for what I did we used as kids but it's insensitive so I won't say it.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 7:28 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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People in the 19th century simply didn't think in those terms. That is why it isn't fair or useful to hold them responsible for modern day values.
Well frick me running. I actually agree with something WP posted.
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