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re: A look at the Success and Failures of Trump's presidency so far.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:28 am to Yak
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:28 am to Yak
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Kelly working to control things. It could be fixed. Funny how this is an "initial failure", but repeal and replace, leaks, and draining the swamp isn't though.
It's a failure because he promised "Disciplined Leadership" and has stepped in shite ever since coming into the whitehouse by not listening to his advisors and implemented a carousel of employment to key positions.
It's a perception and a stain that will never stopped being talked about EVEN if Kelly cleans it up. In 10 years, detractors of Trump will still recall the "embarrassing" start to his administration.
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There's also been no implementation of things like civil asset forfeiture and rolling back marijuana laws, because it's currently being "worked on"...so in your words, not a failure.
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Sessions position and implementation of new rules concerning CAF is a total FAILURE of conservative principles and adherence to the constitution.
As far as the drug war, you're correct, no actual changes so far, but intentions and rhetoric point to things tightening up on that front soon:
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I'll be more than happy to move Drug War to "Stalemate" based on this.
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Still under investigation, and not complete. Still being worked on.
This is true, but as I already stated, the damage is done. The Russia investigation is a failure for Trump because it will always be a stain on him for his ridiculous rhetoric and ill advised political moves that got him into the position to be investigated.
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Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:31 am to SidewalkDawg
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Why though?
we were told we were going to get repeal and replace, with lower premiums.
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Do you not consider it fair to wait until they move on from Healthcare to something else before I mark it as a failure? I understand this bill is likely to fail as well.
The problem with this is then you will never move healthcare to a failure. There will always be another plan. Some sort of hope. The healthcare problem isn't going away, so there will always be solutions bantied about. But any chance of major changes this year are very unrealistic.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:33 am to SidewalkDawg
Let's be more level headed and honest about this.
WINS:
Gorsuch. Probably his best moment/win.
Keystone Pipeline: although, this one seems to be falling apart, as interest in the project has waned considerably, and may never be completed.
Mattis: By all accounts, a great military mind.
Stalemates:
Economy. Since Trump hasn't really done anything related to the economy, it is tough to call it a win. Even the most ardent Trump supporter must recognize he hasn't done anything here. It is doing well, but there are concerns of another bubble coming...and of course, he has completely reversed his positions about how well the economy was doing under Obama. An admission that it was indeed strong, despite his previous claims.
TPP: Depends on where you stand. We haven't seen the results he promised when pulling out. Other industries have struggled since southeast asia is a massive export market.
Taxes/Infrastructure: Hasn't done anything. Would list as a failure, but does seem to have some in Congress eyeing tax reform still. Could still turn around. Still hope for him on this front
ISIS: Continuation of the Obama attack. If they are eradicated, I'll give credit, but until then, nothing changes.
FAILURES:
Healthcare. Obviously.
North Korea. Has yet to make any strong moves since NK has upped their testing/etc. when he took office.
The Wall: Never making it through the Senate. His biggest promise.
Iran Deal: Total 180. Fail.
International Diplomacy/Paris: Fail. Has ceded world leadership to other nations. Nations & leaders around the globe have stated that they cannot count on American leadership under Trump. State/UN ambassadors are often contradicted by Trump, making their jobs impossible.
Chaos: Fail. Salt in the wound are all his old tweets being brought back up.
Russia: He has a really odd attitude toward Russia. We know he has no problem throwing criticism (warranted or not) around, but fails to do so toward Russia. There is way too much smoke around this issue for it to be a "nothingburger". IMO, 1 of 2 things happened. 1. People around Trump (not him though), like a Manafort, were actively and knowingly exploiting Russians support for Trump. 2. They are so incompetent (as Kushner has suggested) that they were played as fools by the Russians. Prank emails/calls/etc. make me more inclined to believe the latter. "Innocence by Incompetence". Either way, bad news for America
Appointments: Some real dumb mutherfrickers. Perry, Carson, DeVos, etc.
WINS:
Gorsuch. Probably his best moment/win.
Keystone Pipeline: although, this one seems to be falling apart, as interest in the project has waned considerably, and may never be completed.
Mattis: By all accounts, a great military mind.
Stalemates:
Economy. Since Trump hasn't really done anything related to the economy, it is tough to call it a win. Even the most ardent Trump supporter must recognize he hasn't done anything here. It is doing well, but there are concerns of another bubble coming...and of course, he has completely reversed his positions about how well the economy was doing under Obama. An admission that it was indeed strong, despite his previous claims.
TPP: Depends on where you stand. We haven't seen the results he promised when pulling out. Other industries have struggled since southeast asia is a massive export market.
Taxes/Infrastructure: Hasn't done anything. Would list as a failure, but does seem to have some in Congress eyeing tax reform still. Could still turn around. Still hope for him on this front
ISIS: Continuation of the Obama attack. If they are eradicated, I'll give credit, but until then, nothing changes.
FAILURES:
Healthcare. Obviously.
North Korea. Has yet to make any strong moves since NK has upped their testing/etc. when he took office.
The Wall: Never making it through the Senate. His biggest promise.
Iran Deal: Total 180. Fail.
International Diplomacy/Paris: Fail. Has ceded world leadership to other nations. Nations & leaders around the globe have stated that they cannot count on American leadership under Trump. State/UN ambassadors are often contradicted by Trump, making their jobs impossible.
Chaos: Fail. Salt in the wound are all his old tweets being brought back up.
Russia: He has a really odd attitude toward Russia. We know he has no problem throwing criticism (warranted or not) around, but fails to do so toward Russia. There is way too much smoke around this issue for it to be a "nothingburger". IMO, 1 of 2 things happened. 1. People around Trump (not him though), like a Manafort, were actively and knowingly exploiting Russians support for Trump. 2. They are so incompetent (as Kushner has suggested) that they were played as fools by the Russians. Prank emails/calls/etc. make me more inclined to believe the latter. "Innocence by Incompetence". Either way, bad news for America
Appointments: Some real dumb mutherfrickers. Perry, Carson, DeVos, etc.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 10:46 am
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:33 am to Hawkeye95
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The problem with this is then you will never move healthcare to a failure. There will always be another plan. Some sort of hope. The healthcare problem isn't going away, so there will always be solutions bantied about. But any chance of major changes this year are very unrealistic.
You're probably right, Healthcare will always be a pipe dream and talked about.
But I've set my redline to when the move on to something else. Right now is the time to get Healthcare passed before midterms. After that I consider a failure that will never seriously be tried again with the effort we've witnessed the past few months.
When they move on to Taxes in a couple of weeks. I'll mark it as a solid failure.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:32 am to austintigerdad
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austin
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Lords name in vain
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Can't stand Trump
You're a typing cliché.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:40 am to SidewalkDawg
Man. The list is pretty solid. But putting the epic catastrophe that was HC in the stalemate column is just.... 
When you say this:
And then you pull that shite show of an attempt at HC reform thats not just a loss, its embarrassing.
When you say this:
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“Together we’re going to deliver real change that once again puts Americans first,” Trump said at an October rally in Florida. “That begins with immediately repealing and replacing the disaster known as Obamacare…You’re going to have such great health care, at a tiny fraction of the cost—and it’s going to be so easy.”
And then you pull that shite show of an attempt at HC reform thats not just a loss, its embarrassing.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 12:06 pm to AUbused
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And then you pull that shite show of an attempt at HC reform thats not just a loss, its embarrassing.
I'm still holding out hope that they will say "frick it" and just repeal. It's a 1 in a million chance. But until it's completely put aside for taxes, I still consider it a stalemate. Although I agree with the sentiment that is a complete failure.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 8:39 am to SidewalkDawg
I have officially moved Healthcare to "Failure" after most republicans have signaled that they will now move on to Taxes:
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Hopefully they will return to this subject before the end of Trump's term, but at this point the best hope we have for change is to vote out the people who did not vote for Repeal.
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Hopefully they will return to this subject before the end of Trump's term, but at this point the best hope we have for change is to vote out the people who did not vote for Repeal.
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