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re: 9 reasons why public educ fails
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:36 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:36 pm to NC_Tigah
Our schools were failing before common core. I am not defending common core, but people are blaming our education systems failure on something that came along after the schools were already failing.
Clearly the old way wasn't working, i don't think the new way will so maybe we need to stop blaming common core for something that was already happened. It is just shifting chairs on a sinking ship, but you don't blame the new place of the deck char for why the shite is sinking.
Clearly the old way wasn't working, i don't think the new way will so maybe we need to stop blaming common core for something that was already happened. It is just shifting chairs on a sinking ship, but you don't blame the new place of the deck char for why the shite is sinking.
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 4:23 pm to Zach
Reason number 1:
IT WAS DESIGNED TO FAIL
IT WAS DESIGNED TO FAIL
Posted on 4/13/14 at 4:34 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
but people are blaming our education systems failure on something that came along after the schools were already failing.
I don't think CC is even fully implemented yet.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 4:39 pm to SammyTiger
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Our schools were failing before common core. I am not defending common core, but people are blaming our education systems failure on something that came along after the schools were already failing.
well they are failing due to population and bureaucracy
CC does nothing to affect population, but it adds a super bureaucracy on top of the problematic bureaucracy
quote:
Clearly the old way wasn't working,
and we doubled down on half the reason why
Posted on 4/13/14 at 5:03 pm to Zach
Number 1 is dead on. Whole language is the most asinine approach to reading I think one could create.
My oldest literally had teachers correcting her for attempting to use the phonics I'd taught her at home.
Number 2 is solid also.
#3&4 are meh. They are issues, but not as big as the first two.
#5.....YEP
#6..oh my God yes. When the frick did we start doing this BS of being "almost" right? Hell, they have actual math worksheets where the kid doesn't even have to attempt to get the dead right answer.
#7. Yep. It's sad but I'd say that for the entire duration of my oldest's schooling, across 5 different school districts, I felt as if I was in direct competition with the school for my child's heart. I won.
I'd like to say #8 is true, but the real truth is, my child was in some excellent school districts(supposedly) with parents who "cared" and at any given parent's day, you MIGHT see 25% of the parents. Parent's can't affect schools because most are too busy not giving a frick and the school districts know it.
#9 is absolutely true. I look at what the required programs to become a teacher and I literally laugh. They aren't training teachers. They're training little leftbots.
All of the above said, let me say something even as someone who has major issues with our public schools.
There are MANY problems that are reflected in results that are literally out of the school's hands.
For example. My two younger children(ages 6&4) both already meet all the state requirements to have completed 1st grade. This is not because they are natural born geniuses. It's because they have parents who give a frick. And hell, we really don't do all we could.
Meanwhile, there are many kids in my 6 year old's class who arrived unable to read a single word or count past 10(if they could count to 10).
I don't know how teachers overcome apathetic or illiterate parents.
My oldest literally had teachers correcting her for attempting to use the phonics I'd taught her at home.
Number 2 is solid also.
#3&4 are meh. They are issues, but not as big as the first two.
#5.....YEP
#6..oh my God yes. When the frick did we start doing this BS of being "almost" right? Hell, they have actual math worksheets where the kid doesn't even have to attempt to get the dead right answer.
#7. Yep. It's sad but I'd say that for the entire duration of my oldest's schooling, across 5 different school districts, I felt as if I was in direct competition with the school for my child's heart. I won.
I'd like to say #8 is true, but the real truth is, my child was in some excellent school districts(supposedly) with parents who "cared" and at any given parent's day, you MIGHT see 25% of the parents. Parent's can't affect schools because most are too busy not giving a frick and the school districts know it.
#9 is absolutely true. I look at what the required programs to become a teacher and I literally laugh. They aren't training teachers. They're training little leftbots.
All of the above said, let me say something even as someone who has major issues with our public schools.
There are MANY problems that are reflected in results that are literally out of the school's hands.
For example. My two younger children(ages 6&4) both already meet all the state requirements to have completed 1st grade. This is not because they are natural born geniuses. It's because they have parents who give a frick. And hell, we really don't do all we could.
Meanwhile, there are many kids in my 6 year old's class who arrived unable to read a single word or count past 10(if they could count to 10).
I don't know how teachers overcome apathetic or illiterate parents.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 5:09 pm to Overbrook
quote:Well, one answer on the pay front is differential pay.
The answer is to raise the pay to get more of the brightest back in the profession.
If you want teachers of a certain quality, not all disciplines are equally difficult to attract. The simple fact is, a solid High school calculus teacher is harder to attract at a given salary than a high school art teacher.
There is literally zero reason that if you figure out that you need to pay 25% more to attract good calc teachers that you also give the art teacher a 25% pay raise. You already have a line around the building of those guys trying to get hired(not, these are examples and art is not the only example of easy less difficult disciplines to attract)
Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:05 pm to Zach
The problems are the students and the parents. That's it.
Some people are dim and or have parents that don't care that they don't maximize what potential they do have.
And, free things are generally less appreciated than those one has to pay for.
Some people are dim and or have parents that don't care that they don't maximize what potential they do have.
And, free things are generally less appreciated than those one has to pay for.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:14 am to ChineseBandit58
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What we should have done was to give the Final Exam on the first day of class and record each students performance so that it could be compared to what they had learned at the end of the year.
I agree completely. Pre/post-testing is the best way to measure the effectiveness of a teacher.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 4:28 am
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:12 am to Tackle74
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Easy answer in 1 word-Parents
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:01 am to Tigah in the ATL
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There's nothing wrong with public schools except in states who fail to resource them properly.
Its clearly not a resource problem. You can throw all the money you want at education and if the motivation to succeed isn't present nothing will change. As previously noted it comes down to engaged parents who want to see their children excel.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 10:02 am
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:06 am to wilfont
quote:Exactly. The quote you replied to is retarded. Some of the worst performing districts have the highest per capita student expenditures. And, vice versa.
Its clearly not a resource problem.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:49 am to NC_Tigah
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How so?
Because most of the educrat waste of time, bad teaching stuff has nothing to do with liberalism. Liberals aren't against hard knowledge and skills. The teaching establishment is because we don't need them to learn hard knowledge. Also because they aren't the best and the brightest, they don't have the skills. Instead, they devised this new education crap because it allowed them to create their own reality...a new set of knowledge that only they or those who go into the field possess.
Now liberal politicians tolerate this stuff more, but a lot of that is complete distrust of conservatives on public education in general.
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