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32 degrees at North Pole; Louisiana gulf waters rising?
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:16 pm
This is why I am a skeptic on global warming. If more than 1/3 of ice has already melted, and Miami is not underwater, then the earth is just going through another cycle.
Oh, it's supposed to be -20 at the North Pole.
Oh, it's supposed to be -20 at the North Pole.
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Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:18 pm to matthew25
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Oh, it's supposed to be -20 at the North Pole.
quote:Well which one is it?
32 degrees at North Pole
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:19 pm to matthew25
If you look at global temperature history you'll note the planet tends to warm up after an ice age.
We had a very recent one. People seem to forget about it.
We had a very recent one. People seem to forget about it.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:26 pm to llfshoals
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the planet tends to warm up after an ice age.
We had a very recent one.
Sounds like an inconvenient truth.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:27 pm to matthew25
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If more than 1/3 of ice has already melted, and Miami is not underwater,
it hasn't.
most of the ice is on greenland and the antarctic landmass
its thousands of feet thick on Greenland and the antarctic landmass.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:27 pm to llfshoals
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We had a very recent one. People seem to forget about it.
We're in an ice age right now dude
This post was edited on 12/23/16 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:30 pm to matthew25
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:31 pm to matthew25
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:49 pm to matthew25
look,this isn't a political statement,but we are definitely seeing milder winters. I don't know why.
I am 54 years old,and the change has been noticeable to me.
It may be a natural thing,I don't really know.
I do know that man CAN negatively impact the environment through negligence.I have seen it first hand on a local scale.
I miss seeing the millions of ducks and geese at The Wheeler Wildlife Refuge like we use to see. The sky would be covered with them,now,not very much.They will never be back.
Pretty sure this was caused by DDT dumping in the river.
The pity is,there is no unpolitical research.All the studies are done with an agenda,by both sides,so for an average person to learn the real truth..that's impossible.
There is nothing wrong though,with us all trying to lower our impact where practical...just in case.
I am 54 years old,and the change has been noticeable to me.
It may be a natural thing,I don't really know.
I do know that man CAN negatively impact the environment through negligence.I have seen it first hand on a local scale.
I miss seeing the millions of ducks and geese at The Wheeler Wildlife Refuge like we use to see. The sky would be covered with them,now,not very much.They will never be back.
Pretty sure this was caused by DDT dumping in the river.
The pity is,there is no unpolitical research.All the studies are done with an agenda,by both sides,so for an average person to learn the real truth..that's impossible.
There is nothing wrong though,with us all trying to lower our impact where practical...just in case.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:02 am to auggie
I don't comment much on global warming, but I'll just say that global warming, in it's most basic meaning is absolutely true and recognized by nearly everyone. That basic meaning is that Earth warms. The point of argument is whether humans make a meaningful impact on the rate and degree to which it occurs. Personally, I don't think many will dispute that certain gases, namely CO2 and Methane are greenhouse gases and trap heat in the atmosphere, which would tell me that humans are having some impact in speeding up the warming process due to fact that this is the first warming period in which humans have machines that produce greenhouse gases at greater rates than in previous warming periods resulting in greater amounts of greenhouse gases than what would naturally occur in the absence of humans.
However, with all that said, at this point I lean towards the impact being deminimus, and not something to warrant wide scale changes in human lifestyle.
However, with all that said, at this point I lean towards the impact being deminimus, and not something to warrant wide scale changes in human lifestyle.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:03 am to auggie
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The pity is,there is no unpolitical research.All the studies are done with an agenda,by both sides,so for an average person to learn the real truth..that's impossible.
Agree with this completely.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:13 am to matthew25
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his is why I am a skeptic on global warming. If more than 1/3 of ice has already melted, and Miami is not underwater, then the earth is just going through another cycle.
omfg please read a science book
ice floating in water has already displaced its volume, when it melts it doenst cause a rise, ice trapped on land melting does.
and btw the Earth hasnt even responded to the levels of Co2 we have now, we wont see that for about another 10-20 years. The temperature rise always lags behind the Co2 rise.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:15 am to auggie
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miss seeing the millions of ducks and geese at The Wheeler Wildlife Refuge like we use to see. The sky would be covered with them,now,not very much.They will never be back.
Pretty sure this was caused by DDT dumping in the river.
The pity is,there is no unpolitical research.All the studies are done with an agenda,by both sides,so for an average person to learn the real truth..that's impossible
It's because the companies that do the dumping have the pull to make it go away. Look at the 3M & Daikin dumping in to the Tennessee River this year. It's like it never happened at this point.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:17 am to TigernMS12
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However, with all that said, at this point I lean towards the impact being deminimus, and not something to warrant wide scale changes in human lifestyle
I agree,but there might be small things that we all can do. Don't throw plastic bottles/packaging in your campfire/trashfire,recycle instead.Learn how to start your charcoal without lighter fluid. Build a smarter brush pile,so when its ready to burn,you don't need old tires and too much diesel fuel.Maybe,if all of us do small things differently...
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:24 am to matthew25
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This is why I am a skeptic on global warming. If more than 1/3 of ice has already melted, and Miami is not underwater, then the earth is just going through another cycle. Oh, it's supposed to be -20 at the North Pole.
Umm, Miami Beach floods at high tide now. It's gotten increasingly bad over the past 10 years. Living under a rock?
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:27 am to Sao
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This is why I am a skeptic on global warming. If more than 1/3 of ice has already melted, and Miami is not underwater, then the earth is just going through another cycle. Oh, it's supposed to be -20 at the North Pole.
South LA and it's disappearing land mass would suggest otherwise. Again, this is due to global warming (the earth warms naturally, no one denies that). The question is whether or not humans have a significant impact on the degree and haste with which it occurs.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:34 am to MrLarson
Do you remember what happened with Olin Chemical at Indian Creek?
That was when the waterfowl slowly stopped coming back.
I was looking at box of ammo today,and it had the OLIN trademark on it,got me remembering.
That was when the waterfowl slowly stopped coming back.
I was looking at box of ammo today,and it had the OLIN trademark on it,got me remembering.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:37 am to FrenchToast
Its cyclical...the earth is wobbling ...the Arctic getting more direct rays...Antarctic not getting as much...of course the climate is always changing
Siberia has been extra brutally cold so far this season.
Siberia has been extra brutally cold so far this season.
This post was edited on 12/24/16 at 12:38 am
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:41 am to matthew25
It's currently 8 degrees at the North Pole
-20 in Yellowknife Canada
-20 in Yellowknife Canada
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:54 am to auggie
I had never heard of that before. I just did a little reading on it and that is insane.
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