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re: 2nd health care worker tests positive for Ebola at Dallas hospital
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:25 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:25 am to NC_Tigah
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He appears before a Congressional Committee tomorrow.
And he'll do as instructed. Nobody wants people to panic, especially right before an important midterm election
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:26 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Why is that?
Because when you see the sun come up and watch it go down a few thousand times, you start to count on it.
Works the same with people lying to you. In fact, it doesn't take a few thousand lies to get me doubting a person.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:27 am to LSU0358
I don't blame Texas Presbyterian. I blame the incomplete training & insufficient protective gear provided.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:30 am to LSUGrrrl
It's okay. We have it contained - they say.
At this rate, with 2 new infections from 1 patient zero, if we can just limit it to 2 new infections, per infected patient, per week, in 6 months, we'll only have 67 million cases (or so) in the United States.
Nothing about which to worry.
At this rate, with 2 new infections from 1 patient zero, if we can just limit it to 2 new infections, per infected patient, per week, in 6 months, we'll only have 67 million cases (or so) in the United States.
Nothing about which to worry.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:31 am to LSUGrrrl
Duncan deserves a good bit of blame for lying
I think the hospital deserves a little blame for the communication breakdown
I think Frieden should STFU and take some ownership as well
I think the hospital deserves a little blame for the communication breakdown
I think Frieden should STFU and take some ownership as well
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:32 am to NC_Tigah
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An official close to the situation says that in hindsight, Duncan should have been transferred immediately to either Emory University Hospital in Atlanta or Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha.
Those hospitals are among only four in the country that have biocontainment units and have been preparing for years to treat a highly infectious disease like Ebola.
"If we knew then what we know now about this hospital's ability to safely care for these patients, then we would have transferred him to Emory or Nebraska," the official told CNN Senior Medical Correspondent Elizabeth Cohen.
"I think there are hospitals that are more than ready, but I think there are some that are not."
All the hospitals fault.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:32 am to NC_Tigah
The hospital is unfairly being a target and may not recover financially from this. There are a ton of patients being transferred to other facilities and a ton others leaving AMA so there isn't an inflow of dollars. Not to mention that the ER went to drive by status last week.
If there is one silver lining in this wholly preventable mess is that the secondary infections are still healthcare workers who are up to speed in what to look for (and I'm sure they were on the watch list). The real bugaboo will take place if someone away from any primary ties to the hospital gets infected. Then this will be exponentially harder to control.
Initial symptoms are that mimicking the flu and we are heading into flu season. So, imagine if this jumps away from that hospital environment population and seats itself into the general public. There will be a ton of missed cases unless they can create a quick diagnosis test.
Hooray for people flying from Liberia back to the USA when they knew they were in contact with people who had Ebola. I don't want to hear a damned thing from that mans family. In my view, he's done more since OBL to jeopardize national security.
If there is one silver lining in this wholly preventable mess is that the secondary infections are still healthcare workers who are up to speed in what to look for (and I'm sure they were on the watch list). The real bugaboo will take place if someone away from any primary ties to the hospital gets infected. Then this will be exponentially harder to control.
Initial symptoms are that mimicking the flu and we are heading into flu season. So, imagine if this jumps away from that hospital environment population and seats itself into the general public. There will be a ton of missed cases unless they can create a quick diagnosis test.
Hooray for people flying from Liberia back to the USA when they knew they were in contact with people who had Ebola. I don't want to hear a damned thing from that mans family. In my view, he's done more since OBL to jeopardize national security.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 6:34 am
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:35 am to Jobu93
Even with all the flubs, it seems Duncan didn't infect anyone other than healthcare workers who SHOULD have Bern prepared & equipped to avoid infection.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:44 am to LSUGrrrl
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Even with all the flubs, it seems Duncan didn't infect anyone other than healthcare workers who SHOULD have Bern prepared & equipped to avoid infection.
Every new infection increases the risk. The risk of the virus escaping, the risk of the virus mutating. Keeping it in Africa was off the table. Keeping it out of the U.S. was off the table.
Like the book says, you reap what you sow.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:45 am to LSUGrrrl
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I don't blame Texas Presbyterian. I blame the incomplete training & insufficient protective gear provided.
I agree completely. Emory and Omaha Medical Center staff train to handle infectious disease. Where as staff at Texas Presbyterian might have read a few CDC memos.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:46 am to TT9
quote:WAIT!
exactly, glad the fricker is dead.
The administration maintained WIDE OPEN travel from West Africa.
No disembarkation screening or even instructions to arriving passengers whatsoever.
The probable epidemiology based on travel pattern was fully known.
FULLY!
Your man Obama got the EXACT migration policy he wanted.
So, yes, he built this.
Somebody else didn't do this for him.
He did it all on his own.
Don't you dare blame this on a Liberian immigrant who followed every US migration law to a tee.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 6:49 am
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:46 am to LSUGrrrl
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Even with all the flubs, it seems Duncan didn't infect anyone other than healthcare workers who SHOULD have Bern prepared & equipped to avoid infection.
This tells me that carriers run a much higher risk of infecting others at the end stages of the disease than when just a fever is present. People living in an apartment with Duncan in the fever and initial vomiting stage are still clear.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:50 am to TT9
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TT9
You are a dumb arse of the highest order. Even having said that, you are an American I assume....and I sincerely hope that you or anyone you know is NOT affected by this. If you are....you have only your savior Obama to thank.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:50 am to LSU0358
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People living in an apartment with Duncan in the fever and initial vomiting stage are still clear.
Yes. This is good news. He already had pretty bad diarrhea when his family called 911 so this shows that, even when exposed to a person who is newly symptomatic - and not just fever - it's possible to avoid infection. It seems that later stages are the highest risk for now.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:58 am to Jim Ignatowski
Only hospital workers at very few places can get it but thanks for your concern.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:58 am to ItNeverRains
quote:If he's trapped into detailing the specific Ebola handling protocol in CDC Labs vs the protocol he recommended to US Hospitals, he will be forced to resign or be dismissed from his Director's position within a month.
And he'll do as instructed.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 7:00 am to LSUGrrrl
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It seems that later stages are the highest risk for now.
IF this spreads in the U.S. and it's still IF for now - this will become a bigger problem when you have dozens or hundreds of cases spread out.
What you will see, typically, is a lag in the reporting. Right now, everyone is focused on it so you have way more false positives than missed screenings - but as time wears on - Americans are fickle and will pivot - anyway, clusters will form in an area and not all will seek prompt treatment. Heck, I wouldn't unless I suspected I was exposed, because hospitals are where the sick people are - once Ebola is out in the wild, unless you personally know someone with it, your highest chance to contract it will be at the hospital.
And it will progress from there. Hopefully we won't have to live through it as a nation, but, as I said earlier - if each new infection only results in 2 new infections, every week, that's 67 million cases in 6 months - and 50 to 70 percent of those will die - geometric expansion - and that's with 100% focus on this first case and the healthcare workers - if it spreads to the wild - all bets are off.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 7:02 am
Posted on 10/15/14 at 7:02 am to Ace Midnight
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CDC Director Thomas Frieden expressed regret Tuesday that his agency had not done more to help the hospital control the infection. He said that, from now on, “Ebola response teams” will travel within hours to any hospital in the United States with a confirmed Ebola case. Already, one of those teams is in Texas and has put in place a site-manager system, requiring that someone monitor the use of personal protective equipment.
“I wish we had put a team like this on the ground the day the first patient was diagnosed,” he said. “That might have prevented this infection.”
LINK
This is what I've been saying all along. Why take so long to admit & correct?
Posted on 10/15/14 at 7:03 am to Jim Ignatowski
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Thanks Obama
Posted on 10/15/14 at 7:04 am to Ace Midnight
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and 50 to 70 percent of those will die
I hope this number is much smaller. Early identification & plasma from survivors gives hope for higher survival rates.
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