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re: One play from the Spring Game that nobody mentions
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:56 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:56 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
by Lester Earl
man i like quinn, but how exactly did Mills get beat? Quinn was never behind him at any point
Quinn got behind him on the route.
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:08 pm to TigerinSoCal
quote:
Not to take sides, but you do realize that pass was slightly under thrown? In fact, that is what left it exposed so Mills could knock it loose. I too like some things I've seen from Harris and think he should get more of an opportunity but I don't see that particular pass as evidence of a "perfectly thrown ball." The pass needed to be a slight bit deeper so Quinn could have caught it over his shoulder away from Mills, rather than in his breadbasket where Mills could get to it.
He throws that ball in front of Quinn and Mills knocks it away before Trey can even get a hand on it. Back shoulder was the only place to put that ball and it was beautiful. Mills just got it out.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 12:50 am to LSUTil_iDie
I thought we agreed not to mention it?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 4:15 am to GeauxWarTigers
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He throws that ball in front of Quinn and Mills knocks it away before Trey can even get a hand on it. Back shoulder was the only place to put that ball and it was beautiful. Mills just got it out.
I am not sure what you mean by "in front of Quinn" - the ball needed to be higher and deeper so Quinn could catch it over his shoulder with his arms outstretched - away from Mills - not closer to Mills which was where the ball was thrown. Mills was between Quinn and Harris, and because the ball was under thrown, Mills was able to knock it lose.
And I am sorry, it was not a "back shoulder throw" nor was it the right time for a back shoulder throw. It was simply under thrown and got knocked away by the defender. Back shoulder throws work when the DB is stride for stride with or ahead of WR, so that an under thrown ball actually gives the receiver an advantage by slowing and letting the DB's momentum take them out of the way for the WR to catch the ball. Here Quinn was ahead of Mills and a higher and deeper ball needed to be thrown to get it over Mills, not under which almost put the ball right in Mills' hands.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 6:06 am to MetryMojo
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Jennimgs missed on a WR screen by at least 5 yards. That play told me all I needed to know. I'm sorry, but that can't happen.
I don't care who the coaches start at QB, but I recall a fair LSU QB missing a wide open R at the LOS in the Clemson bowl game by 5 yds that would have won that game. shite happens in sports. One game rarely means anything in evaluating a QB. Much less one play in one game. imo
Posted on 4/22/15 at 6:29 am to LSUTil_iDie
Jalen Mills is a ball hawk gonna be fun to watch this year
Posted on 4/22/15 at 6:52 am to TigerinSoCal
quote:
t you do realize that pass was slightly under thrown?
No it wasn't. It fell right into Quinn's numbers.
quote:
In fact, that is what left it exposed so Mills could knock it loose.
It is Quinn's responsibility to secure the ball. If he had it and Mills knocked it loose then Quinn has to hold on to it.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:05 am to TigerinSoCal
quote:
TigerinSoCal
Only guy in here that understands. That pass was definitely not a great pass. Look at the pass to Malachi for example: There were 2 defenders on him and Harris threw it over Malachi so that the defenders had no chance to make a play on the ball. This throw y'all are talking about was underthrown.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 9:16 am to TigerAlum93
quote:
Quinn got behind him on the route.
at what point in the video? can you give an exact time so i can stop it and see
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:13 am to Lester Earl
quote:Quinn didn't get behind him.quote:at what point in the video? can you give an exact time so i can stop it and see
Quinn got behind him on the route.
Should have been thrown more to the outside. Would have been an interception if Mills did not lose track of the ball.
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:16 am to GeauxPack81
quote:
That pass was definitely not a great pass. Look at the pass to Malachi for example: There were 2 defenders on him and Harris threw it over Malachi so that the defenders had no chance to make a play on the ball. This throw y'all are talking about was underthrown.
That was a perfectly thrown ball. Only a great athlete that was superbly covered could reach the ball.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:30 am to LSUTil_iDie
quote:Were you equally impressed with his running plays where it looked like no one on the defense could tackle him?
LSUTil_iDie
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:34 am to Salviati
Ball was perfectly thrown, just probably shouldn't have been thrown because of the coverage. Mills made a great play, and if you look at the trajectory of the pass, it hit Quinn in stride. It's a gutsy throw assuming the DB doesn't turn around and pick it.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:36 am to roygu
I don't know what y'all are seeing. That ball should have been placed on the other side of Quinn. If it was a back-shoulder throw, Quinn would have come back to it, not try to make an athletic catch with Mills right there.
Great coverage by Mills though.
Great coverage by Mills though.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:37 am to LSUTil_iDie
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:51 am to Lonnie4LSU
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quote:
Jennimgs missed on a WR screen by at least 5 yards. That play told me all I needed to know. I'm sorry, but that can't happen.
I don't care who the coaches start at QB, but I recall a fair LSU QB missing a wide open R at the LOS in the Clemson bowl game by 5 yds that would have won that game. shite happens in sports. One game rarely means anything in evaluating a QB. Much less one play in one game. imo
Mett didn't routinely miss that throw.
AJ has a hard time completing passes behind the line of scrimmage. I'm tired of seeing that from our QB.
This inst' one bad play in one scrimmage, it's something he's been doing for 2 years now.
AJ overthrew 4 deep balls in the first half, threw a terrible td to a wide open Dupre that had to make an over the shoulder catch on an underthrown ball, and his rainbow to Dural caused him to get caught by someone 20 yards away from him.
Harris made 3 great deep throws, 2 resulting in a TD and Quinn dropping the other on a good defensive play. His int was well under thrown and a bad throw. I'll take 3 great throws and 1 bad throw all day long to Jennings "safe" throws that no one catches.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:58 am to sicboy
quote:The ball was thrown so that it hit Quinn in stride. HOWEVER, the trajectory of the ball goes through Mills' path before it gets to Quinn's stride. In short, it goes right through a CB's coverage. If Mills had not lost track of the ball, it was an easy interception.
Ball was perfectly thrown, just probably shouldn't have been thrown because of the coverage. Mills made a great play, and if you look at the trajectory of the pass, it hit Quinn in stride.
Harris should have thrown it over the top of Mills and Quinn between Quinn and the sideline (near the back corner of the end zone) or thrown it short outside to Quinn's outside back shoulder (near the flag, front corner of the end zone). Either way, the ball should have gone closer to the sideline.
Gutsy? Maybe. I don't think Cam would agree. It's usually a bad idea to try to complete a pass that goes right through a DB's catch radius.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 11:04 am
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:01 am to TeddyPadillac
. . . . . . . Comp . . Att . . Comp% . Efficiency . . Yds . . YPA . . TDs . Ints
Jennings . . 13 . . . 20 . . . 65.0% . . . 199.6 . . . . 242 . . . 12.1 . . 2 . . . 0
Harris . . . . 11 . . . 17 . . . 64.7% . . . 179.7 . . . . 178 . . . 10.5 . . 2 . . . 1
Jennings . . 13 . . . 20 . . . 65.0% . . . 199.6 . . . . 242 . . . 12.1 . . 2 . . . 0
Harris . . . . 11 . . . 17 . . . 64.7% . . . 179.7 . . . . 178 . . . 10.5 . . 2 . . . 1
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:06 am to Salviati
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. . . . . . . Comp . . Att . . Comp% . Efficiency . . Yds . . YPA . . TDs . Ints
Jennings . . 13 . . . 20 . . . 65.0% . . . 199.6 . . . . 242 . . . 12.1 . . 2 . . . 0
Harris . . . . 11 . . . 17 . . . 64.7% . . . 179.7 . . . . 178 . . . 10.5 . . 2 . . . 1
what's your point?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:08 am to Salviati
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It's usually a bad idea to try to complete a pass that goes right through a DB's catch radius.
So the QB is supposed to know ahead of time what the DB's "catch radius" is and figure that into the equation before he lets the pass go? Makes sense.
He didn't throw a perfect pass on that play...DWI.
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