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Has AD's one on one defense regressed?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:46 pm
I am not sure why, but it seems to me that as Davis' offense game has developed, his on-ball defender skills have significantly diminished. He's still a great off the ball defender, but just seems he was more impressive on-ball in the past 2 seasons.
What's everyone else's take?
What's everyone else's take?
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:48 pm to Geauxgurt
He really has some weaknesses in his defensive game, for sure. Something he needs to work on.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:48 pm to Geauxgurt
he was overrated on here as a 1-on-1 defender. he's been pretty mediocre-bad this series defensively
his best D has been when he's iso'd against curry after a pnr switch. curry made like 1 bucket last night with davis on him and didn't score about 5-6 other times
his best D has been when he's iso'd against curry after a pnr switch. curry made like 1 bucket last night with davis on him and didn't score about 5-6 other times
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:49 pm to Geauxgurt
He's getting exposed as people learn his tendencies. It happens, great players adjust their game though so I'm not worried too much yet. That and he looks totally different than when season started. Definitely smaller.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:49 pm to Fun Bunch
He has been biting on fakes a lot, David Wesley comments on it pretty regularly. Like last night, there is no reason for him to leave his feet to try and swat the ball in Curry's face.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:51 pm to htran90
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He's getting exposed as people learn his tendencies. It happens, great players adjust their game though so I'm not worried too much yet. That and he looks totally different than when season started. Definitely smaller.
Yeah, he definitely looks smaller, but that isn't a surprise. As much as he'll gain weight in the off-season, it just doesn't seem to be a natural fit for him weight-wise to be much bigger.
My bigger thing is how his quick reactive skills seemed to have diminished. I never thought he'd be quick enough to straight up guard a great PG, but he just seems a step or two slower now in how he anticipates things.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:51 pm to TigerinATL
There's no reason why this team should be so bad defensively.
Has AD focused too much on his offensive game? Is he just not that court aware for the complex NBA schemes? Is it a Monty thing? Because Asik was pretty elite defensively before coming here and hasn't been that great.
Has AD focused too much on his offensive game? Is he just not that court aware for the complex NBA schemes? Is it a Monty thing? Because Asik was pretty elite defensively before coming here and hasn't been that great.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:55 pm to Fun Bunch
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Has AD focused too much on his offensive game? Is he just not that court aware for the complex NBA schemes? Is it a Monty thing? Because Asik was pretty elite defensively before coming here and hasn't been that great.
Seeing as it is a team-wide issue, I'd say it completely sits on Monty's head. The whole team is horrible at defense, especially on the interior.
Asik plays well, but even he isn't anywhere near as strong a defender as he was while in Houston and his small minutes in Chicago.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:16 pm to Geauxgurt
We have clamped down on Golden State if anything. This is a prolific offense we are playing and we have held them under 20 points in multiple quarters.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:18 pm to Geauxgurt
Why is eveything in a vacuum?
Oh Asik sucks! -- have you seen some of the other NBA centers?
Oh we have no depth! -- have you watched this team the past few years? Watched some of the other teams?
Oh AD has regressed defensively one on one! -- when? Let's understand the best offensive players > the best defensive players. They are going to score. AD wins more one in ones defensively than a lot of players. His mere presence deters offensive possessions.
These critical, ambiguous "eye test" observations are getting ridiculous. Check the data. Look around the league. You would think this is the worst team in the league based on these Pels talk hot takes
Oh Asik sucks! -- have you seen some of the other NBA centers?
Oh we have no depth! -- have you watched this team the past few years? Watched some of the other teams?
Oh AD has regressed defensively one on one! -- when? Let's understand the best offensive players > the best defensive players. They are going to score. AD wins more one in ones defensively than a lot of players. His mere presence deters offensive possessions.
These critical, ambiguous "eye test" observations are getting ridiculous. Check the data. Look around the league. You would think this is the worst team in the league based on these Pels talk hot takes
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:37 pm to GynoSandberg
I agree with your vacuum comment. Yes, AD could "improve" as an on ball defender against guards on the pick and roll. And yes he has room to improve his overall on ball defense.
Now back to reality....the guy making him look bad at times is a guard who will likely be the MVP. Davis will probably also make 2nd Team All Defense Team this year. Yes, I really want him to play better on defense and I want the Pelicans to win the series. But I'm not that worried about his on ball defense at this point in his career and there are less than 10 (really 5, maybe only 2 or 3) power forwards in the league who would do a better job on defense in the is series than AD right now.
Now back to reality....the guy making him look bad at times is a guard who will likely be the MVP. Davis will probably also make 2nd Team All Defense Team this year. Yes, I really want him to play better on defense and I want the Pelicans to win the series. But I'm not that worried about his on ball defense at this point in his career and there are less than 10 (really 5, maybe only 2 or 3) power forwards in the league who would do a better job on defense in the is series than AD right now.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 4:02 pm to Geauxgurt
Posted on 4/21/15 at 4:19 pm to Geauxgurt
The dude leads the league in blocked shots, and is probably in the top 3 in altered shots too. Smmfh.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 4:28 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
Why is eveything in a vacuum?
Oh Asik sucks! -- have you seen some of the other NBA centers?
Oh we have no depth! -- have you watched this team the past few years? Watched some of the other teams?
Oh AD has regressed defensively one on one! -- when? Let's understand the best offensive players > the best defensive players. They are going to score. AD wins more one in ones defensively than a lot of players. His mere presence deters offensive possessions.
These critical, ambiguous "eye test" observations are getting ridiculous. Check the data. Look around the league. You would think this is the worst team in the league based on these Pels talk hot takes
enjoy an upvote
Posted on 4/21/15 at 4:29 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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We have clamped down on Golden State if anything. This is a prolific offense we are playing and we have held them under 20 points in multiple quarters.
This isn't about his play in this series. It's about how this team has played for the entire season. They are notoriously bad on defense in the paint. It's not something small.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 4:32 pm to GynoSandberg
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Why is eveything in a vacuum?
Oh Asik sucks! -- have you seen some of the other NBA centers?
Where did I isolate this series? Asik doesn't suck, nor did I say he did. I said he's not as good as he was in the past few years, which is a fact.
AD's on ball defense is still good, but has dropped off. Blocked shots and altered shots are great, but in most cases are coming off his great help defense.
I think some people simply overvalue AD's defense. He's an amazing player, but he's not as good on defense as some like to believe, and there is a real team issue with defense that has perpetuated for 4 years now.
But yeah, it's just some of us using the "eye test". :
Posted on 4/21/15 at 5:12 pm to Geauxgurt
The problem isnt 'using an eye test'. The issue is we have people not qualified to evaluate basketball using 'an eye test'.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 6:53 pm to Geauxgurt
Davis is very good on defense. He also makes mistakes on defense. He is still easily the best defensive player on the team even with those mistakes.
He is a 3rd year big who literally has no limit to his game on the court. He sticks to guards and bangs in the post on a regular basis. That can be a bit overwhelming for anyone, let alone a 22 yo. To be clear, he's not the only guy who makes mistakes on this team. Oh, and he is also the focal point of the team's offense on any given possesion.
It's truly remarkable how much he does for this team. We are all exceedingly lucky to watch him play every night.
He is a 3rd year big who literally has no limit to his game on the court. He sticks to guards and bangs in the post on a regular basis. That can be a bit overwhelming for anyone, let alone a 22 yo. To be clear, he's not the only guy who makes mistakes on this team. Oh, and he is also the focal point of the team's offense on any given possesion.
It's truly remarkable how much he does for this team. We are all exceedingly lucky to watch him play every night.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:26 pm to corndeaux
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Davis is very good on defense. He also makes mistakes on defense. He is still easily the best defensive player on the team even with those mistakes.
It seems like its become a "cool" internet thing to point out that Davis isn't a truly elite defensive player...yet. Every board I go to there's always people who can't wait to jump in with, "Davis isn't as good on defense as people think."
Draymond Green mentioned after the game how much Davis changes the game just on pure intimidation. He talked about missing that layup because he thought AD was there. Davis wasn't in the area.
Its almost getting to the point where he's becoming under appreciated for what he does on defense.
I mean look at this:
> Davis is 43 minutes in at this point, gassed, and Cunningham passes off STEPH CURRY to our PF/C. Davis buckles down and is ready to go before Kerr calls a timeout. What other big man in the league has that type of responsibility?
Protect the paint, oh and we might also need you to guard Steph one-on-one when our other guys are afraid of getting crossed up on national tv.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 7:31 pm to eyeran
I would imagine the coaching staff is constantly reminding him to stay out of foul trouble, too.
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