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Trae Waynes, Danny Shelton, Randy Gregory,
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:25 pm
All on the board at 13 . Who do you take?
13
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:29 pm to Chad504boy
None.
Dupree.
Dupree.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:31 pm to NamariTiger
If the FO is concerned about the weed issues then Shelton.
If they DGAF, then Gregory.
But whatever they decided, Waynes would absolutely be the worst pick you could make in this situation.
If they DGAF, then Gregory.
But whatever they decided, Waynes would absolutely be the worst pick you could make in this situation.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:33 pm to NamariTiger
It depends on what goes on behind closed doors...
Shelton only if going to more traditional 3-4
Gregory all depends on the interview and personality evaluation. If he passes then the easiest take
Waynes the safest and best best for not knowing the rest of the story.
Shelton only if going to more traditional 3-4
Gregory all depends on the interview and personality evaluation. If he passes then the easiest take
Waynes the safest and best best for not knowing the rest of the story.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:40 pm to NamariTiger
Shelton, but that's with the same caveat that Blues posited. I believe 3-4 is still our dominant formation, and we are weak at NT right now.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:44 pm to blueslover
The whole 4-3 or 3-4 thing is overblown. We play 4 lineman (with Galette as an end) with a nickel package as our base.
If Vaccaro is moving back more to a nickel/box safety role like in his first year and the end of last year then secondary should be mostly ignored(though Browner isn't long term so we need a CB in one of the next 3 drafts early; plenty of time).
Neither of the other two guys will change our base and you'd be asking Gregory to replace Galette. Shelton is more likely as Bunkley is nearing the end and Jenkins hasn't fully stepped up.
I think G, a big DE/DT, WR, or a more versatile/traditional LB is more likely at the top unless we are planning on dumping Galette soon.
If Vaccaro is moving back more to a nickel/box safety role like in his first year and the end of last year then secondary should be mostly ignored(though Browner isn't long term so we need a CB in one of the next 3 drafts early; plenty of time).
Neither of the other two guys will change our base and you'd be asking Gregory to replace Galette. Shelton is more likely as Bunkley is nearing the end and Jenkins hasn't fully stepped up.
I think G, a big DE/DT, WR, or a more versatile/traditional LB is more likely at the top unless we are planning on dumping Galette soon.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:08 pm to GeauxTigers6447
I'm starting to think Gregory is trending to light for the OLB at 230. Would want Shelton out of those 3.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:13 pm to bonethug0108
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we play 4 lineman (with Galette as an end) with a nickel package as our base.
the question is how much of this is due to scheme vs personnel? I can't speak to Ryan's historical use of the NT, but if he has run a traditional 3-4 in the past then I tend to think our current formation is due to the latter. Plus I believe we run so many 4 man fronts due to the number of 3WR sets being run today. With a true NT, we could lineup with 3 DL and let Galette roam more.
This is why it all depends on what Ryan's main objective is with the D. If anyone can produce some literature regarding his past D's, this would be good intel
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:14 pm to VA LSU fan
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I'm starting to think Gregory is trending to light for the OLB at 230
he lost 5 pounds since the combine. This isn't anything to worry about.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:38 pm to Midget Death Squad
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he lost 5 pounds since the combine. This isn't anything to worry about.
Thats all the proof I need to know he's off the weed
If forced between those three I would pic Gregory.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:42 pm to NamariTiger
Shelton.
Trade back.
Gregory.
The next best guy....
Waynes.
In that order. I want nothing to do with Waynes. This is a pivotal draft for this franchise and I'd rather not put that on the shoulders of another CB considering the dozens we've drafted over the the last decades are mediocre at best and major busts at worst.
Trade back.
Gregory.
The next best guy....
Waynes.
In that order. I want nothing to do with Waynes. This is a pivotal draft for this franchise and I'd rather not put that on the shoulders of another CB considering the dozens we've drafted over the the last decades are mediocre at best and major busts at worst.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:53 pm to Rand AlThor
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CB considering the dozens we've drafted over the the last decades are mediocre at best and major busts at worst.
these arguments are full of holes. the CB's we have drafted were guys that were somewhat surprises (Robinson) or late rounders. Jenkins was picked where he was expected to go, and he actually played well at CB his rookie year. They moved him to Safety the next year, which is what they must've intended to do the moment they chose to draft him.
My point is that when the entire league has a players slotted to go at a certain point and he goes there then turns out not to be good, then the entire league missed on him. To say we have drafted poorly at CB should only be applied to those in later rounds. Taking Waynes has nothing to do with that
Posted on 4/21/15 at 5:15 pm to Midget Death Squad
Let Galette roam where?
He's a pass rusher. You put him on the edge and tell him to go get the QB. That's why I find it hilarious he is labeled an OLB.
And Ryan has run 3-4 and 4-3 in the past but he runs more nickel/hybrid than those outdated things people call base defenses. Almost every team in the league runs more nickel than anything else(a couple of years ago I think only two teams ran a 4-3 or 3-4 base; Carolina and San Fran if memory serves).
Adding a pass rusher or a DT isn't going to cause us to go to a "3-4" base. The only thing that would is a 3 down LB with cover skills and that's with calling Galette an OLB. It would still be more of a 4-3. This is also assuming Ellerbe and Hawthorne also play a large portion of snaps, which may not be so with the cover LB replacing one of them.
Short version: barring many variables aligning you're going to see a nickel base with a four man rush.
He's a pass rusher. You put him on the edge and tell him to go get the QB. That's why I find it hilarious he is labeled an OLB.
And Ryan has run 3-4 and 4-3 in the past but he runs more nickel/hybrid than those outdated things people call base defenses. Almost every team in the league runs more nickel than anything else(a couple of years ago I think only two teams ran a 4-3 or 3-4 base; Carolina and San Fran if memory serves).
Adding a pass rusher or a DT isn't going to cause us to go to a "3-4" base. The only thing that would is a 3 down LB with cover skills and that's with calling Galette an OLB. It would still be more of a 4-3. This is also assuming Ellerbe and Hawthorne also play a large portion of snaps, which may not be so with the cover LB replacing one of them.
Short version: barring many variables aligning you're going to see a nickel base with a four man rush.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 5:24 pm to Midget Death Squad
It wasn't intended to be an argument. Just a statement of fact: we have bad luck with drafting corners. Not just first round corners. All of them.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 5:40 pm to NamariTiger
Shelton and second isn't close. This guy has mean streak that i just love.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 5:43 pm to bonethug0108
Traditional 3-4 teams switch to a 3-3-5 nickel alignment. Some go 4-2-5 as well. Personnel and scheme dictate this. My point is that if Ryan prefers the 3-3-5 alignment, then Shelton fits our needs. Have we been not using this setup due to lack of personnel or to his preference of system? The answer to this is the answer to how much of a need we have at NT
Posted on 4/21/15 at 5:59 pm to Midget Death Squad
Even if we went 3-3-5 it would still be more of a 4-2-5 because Galette is still rushing the passer.
And Ryan said he isn't married to scheme. He tries to put the best players on the field given the situation.
Think about it this way. If we drafted a starting NT who would be on the field mostly? Lewis, Browner, Byrd, Vaccaro, 5th DB, Hawthorne, Ellerbe/Haralson, Galette, Hicks, Jordan, and the new NT.
If we drafted a "starting" pass rushing OLB who would be on the field mostly? Lewis, Browner, Byrd, Vaccaro, 5th DB, Hawthorne, Ellerbe/Haralson, Galette, Hicks, Jordan, and the new pass rusher/Bunkley/Jenkins. Or he would split time with Galette in some packages.
If we drafted a starting cover LB who would be on the field mostly? Lewis, Browner, Byrd, Vaccaro, 5th DB/Ellerbe/Haralson, Hawthorne, new LB, Galette, Hicks, Jordan, and Bunkley/Jenkins.
The third is the only scenario where you'd see us going more 3-4 (4-3 because Galette is still playing end). But it could also wind up as the new LB replacing Hawthorne instead and then having Hawthorne/Ellerbe/Haralson splitting time.
More than likely no matter who we draft you are still going to see nickel more than anything.
And Ryan said he isn't married to scheme. He tries to put the best players on the field given the situation.
Think about it this way. If we drafted a starting NT who would be on the field mostly? Lewis, Browner, Byrd, Vaccaro, 5th DB, Hawthorne, Ellerbe/Haralson, Galette, Hicks, Jordan, and the new NT.
If we drafted a "starting" pass rushing OLB who would be on the field mostly? Lewis, Browner, Byrd, Vaccaro, 5th DB, Hawthorne, Ellerbe/Haralson, Galette, Hicks, Jordan, and the new pass rusher/Bunkley/Jenkins. Or he would split time with Galette in some packages.
If we drafted a starting cover LB who would be on the field mostly? Lewis, Browner, Byrd, Vaccaro, 5th DB/Ellerbe/Haralson, Hawthorne, new LB, Galette, Hicks, Jordan, and Bunkley/Jenkins.
The third is the only scenario where you'd see us going more 3-4 (4-3 because Galette is still playing end). But it could also wind up as the new LB replacing Hawthorne instead and then having Hawthorne/Ellerbe/Haralson splitting time.
More than likely no matter who we draft you are still going to see nickel more than anything.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 6:08 pm to NamariTiger
I'd easily go with Waynes in that situation.
Don't let PRob scare you from drafting a corner. He was a major reach at 32, and not nearly the player that Waynes is even right now.
If teams didn't draft positions where they have failed before, the lions would've missed out on megatron.
Don't let PRob scare you from drafting a corner. He was a major reach at 32, and not nearly the player that Waynes is even right now.
If teams didn't draft positions where they have failed before, the lions would've missed out on megatron.
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