re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Teaser #2 (Spolierish Discussions)

Speaking of Yoda hopping around like a crazy monkey with a light saber, I think they missed a huge opportunity (par for the course for the prequels) to really show the power of the force. Yoda should have barely moved, only dodging slightly but perfectly, all the while using the force to control his light saber and other objects to fight. Really emphasize the "size matters not" aspect of the force.

We get it alright. If you think that was lucas' artistic design then power on man, but I think honest reflection and analysis points to a different aesthetic approach and lazy cost efficient film making. Nothing is grander. It's just lucas throwing a ton of shite on the screen for no other purpose than to sell toys and make billions. Why did he need to tell us a story to which we already knew the conclusion and important facts? If it was a character piece then why don't we ever see anakin' straining. You can't have a fall without a rise and anakin is a little twerp from the get go. These movies are turds through and through. Other than the fact effort and new ideas were tried in PM, there isn't one reframing quality or nice thing you can say about them

quote:

---

I admit I loved the final fight scene between Obi and Anakin in Sith. I found it epic though if Obi-wan had any character he would of put his good friend out of his misery after lopping off his arms and legs.

What I detested was the locale.

---

That's funny, cause thge locale is one of the few things i liked about it because it was a rare case of consistency in the prequels They described the fight btwn ObiWan and Vader/Anikan in the novelization of Star Wars, so it had to have lava. The trouble with it is it goes on too long, it gets boring with them jumping all over the place and yes, pretty shitty of ObiWan to leave him like that to suffer.

quote:

---

worse i think he resents it since Kirschner and Kurtz get most of the credit

---

Not this shite again.

quote:

---

there isn't one reframing quality or nice thing you can say about them

---

I personally liked the political atmosphere of the prequels. They helped explain the creation of the rebellion, the creation of the empire, and the creation of the storm troopers.

Going into Episode IV for the first time - especially if you're older than 15 - is a bit confusing. Darth Vader and Palpatine are evil and Luke and the rebellion are good. We don't really know why. We're just told so.

quote:

---

Not this shite again.

---

don't like the truth?

I don't even bother with the story elements. There isn't enough time in the day to destroy those. The quickest way I can think of is to ask "what story elements?"

Some times simple exposition is all you need. And in the sci fi genre keeping it that simple isn't a bad thing. Rebels = good guys. Empire = bad guys. The costume design and other little things help emphasize this, but we didn't need 3 prequels. The rise of the empire isn't as interesting as the fall, nor is that the story. It's about the 3 main characters and their adventure and struggle.
The most important elements of the prequels are given in 5 minutes of exposition when Luke meets ben kenobi, so did we really need 3 films to give us the deets? And they don't mesh anyway. They don't explain it because lucas had to change the originals 5 or 6 time for maximum continuity.

quote:

---

affirmative action Star Wars

---

Explain.

quote:

---

If Kurtz was the creative genius some seem to want to paint him as, his filmography wouldn't be as glaringly unimpressive. Producers have always been much better at ruining movies than "saving" them.

---

I never said Kurtz was the creative genius, in a thread a couple of weeks ago, i argued Lucas was the primary genius. It is not an either or propotion. But it seems clear from interviews with multiple people over the years that Lucas wasn't all that happy with Empire and the darker tone and the acclaim that movie has gotten. It is also clear that him and Kurtz had creative differences after that and Kurtz left before Jedi. (Raiders was done just after Empire and had Spielberg). Looking back at Return of the Jedi, we should have know the prequels would be disappointing.

quote:

---

Lucas was better when he was young and hungry. Don't forget, he's also the guy who had the most influence on the Raiders story. He lost his edge when he got older after years of being softened by douchey liberal wine country. This is how we got elected queens, Greedo shooting first and affirmative action Star Wars.

---

Was it just that he was young and hungry or that because he was young and not really established that he had others around him to help guide things or say no sometime? Once he became established and could get total control that wasn't a good thing, maybe he lost his "edge" after being hailed as genius by so many?

No doubt he became a slave of sorts to his ideology and lead o a lot of crap you mention above. As if an advanced society "elects" a 14 y/old girl "Queen". Its a freaking fairy tale Jorge, no need to act like it's a democracy. Personally i think he's a classic, guilt ridden limosine liberal that feels the need to apologize for his success or thinks having the "correct" views makes up for it.