re: Daredevil: Official Discussion Thread (Season 1; spoilers included)

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She knew who the victim was and that if she said too much she was dead.

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Okay...so what was their explanation going to be for the bullet wound that the gun would create, if it weren't a shitty gun that jammed?

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Anyways, people like you should probably just not watch movies/TV shows if you're unwilling to suspend belief in the slightest. The vast majority of people watch movies/TV shows to escape from reality, not to overanalyis and force it upon fictional universes.

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Im glad im not like this in TV Shows/Movies.

I always find it funny when people nit pick over the smallest details. Yet they are watching a show about a blind guy that sees in flames and can smell cologne from 3 floors up

Just finished the last episode. Freaking great show.

The only thing that really bothered me was Foggy being such a little bitch when he found out about Matt being the Mask. I don't get his reaction at all. I see why the writers did it (so he could reconnect with the bitch lawyer in a rage frick and then have her dig up dirt on Fisk), but I didn't understand his reaction from a human standpoint. I don't think I'd react the same, but we're all different I suppose.

The grit of this show has me super pumped. I just don't know how he's gonna translate into the less edgy film branch of the MCU.

Also, that costume is badass.

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The only thing that really bothered me was Foggy being such a little bitch when he found out about Matt being the Mask. I don't get his reaction at all. I see why the writers did it (so he could reconnect with the bitch lawyer in a rage frick and then have her dig up dirt on Fisk), but I didn't understand his reaction from a human standpoint. I don't think I'd react the same, but we're all different I suppose.

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in the books, Foggy is quite an emotional guy. he and matt have their moments. the reasoning for his acting this way is that he felt betrayed by his best friend. in his mind, they shared everything together, and this hurt him in feeling that Matt was lying to him and keeping such a huge secret. plus it made matt seem hypocritical, since he always was a strong proponent of the rule of law. vigilantism and strong belief in the legal system are mutually exclusive, and this effected Foggy.

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No the plothole is with the gun. My two questions are this (and maybe you can come up with an explanation)


1) Why the hell was the gun not ever talked about in the police report. If the bowling alley girl saw the altercation, she would see him with a gun, which would certainly change the self defense circumstances and the ability for him to get off


2) if you can explain how she did not see it, or why there is no video camera in a bowling alley to show it....then why did he bring a gun in the first place? He certainly did not plan on it jamming, so one could assume that he planned on just shooting the guy. So if the gun didn't jam, how would he have explained the self defense needed for him to pull a gun out? And he had a spot prepared beforehand to hide the gun, why would he plan to hide the gun if he originally planned to shoot the guy? Either he has one hell of a foresight or the whole gun part didn't really make much sense

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Those aren't plot holes. I'm sorry, but they aren't. It's one of mypet peeves when people invent absurd nitpicks and then try and call them plot holes. Those aren't even plot points, much less holes. But let's answer both questions, since it seems you need answers.

1) The gun is not mentioned because no one tells the police about it. The gun is never fired, so there's no casing to find or bullet hole for the cops to discover. Also, there's no evidence that the girl at the counter saw the criminal pull the gun. You get a shot of her looking at the end of the fight, but not during it. For all you know, she's hiding under the counter like a normal person.

Also, she doesn't testify in a way to incriminate the assassin. If she saw the whole fight, she could just tell the whole story of what happened as a witness, and the gun is irrelevant. Instead, she stays quiet, and does not testify. We don't need a hug leap of logic to figure out why. But if she was gonna blab about the gun, she'd blab about the WHOLE FIGHT.

Then, Wesley finds the gun and destroys it before the cops do. It should also be noted that the cops are later shown to be on Fisk's payroll. So even if they did find the gun, they would try to destroy the evidence.

2) It likely doesn't have a video camera. It's an f'n bowling alley. How many bowling alleys have cameras set up on the lanes to prevent people from stealing the balls or whatever? Outside? Ok. But why is it assumed a small business would install cameras to do... what, exactly? There's no inventory there to steal. If you had video cameras, it would be by the snack bar, the doors, and/or the registers. Not the lanes. You've just invented something as an obstacle that's not a real obstacle. Maybe they just don't have the money to buy a camera. Or, like a lot of places, they just have a camera and no tape/computer?

The assassin was hoping to come in, shoot the guy, and leave. His plan was not to get caught, as evidenced by a later conversation between Fisk and Wesley, in which they discuss murdering him in his cell. Getting caught and pleading self-defense was not the plan. It was a contingency.

are hardcore DD fans upset about them killing Ben?

I expected him to die when he first appeared, but then looked up his history and saw he was actually a key figure in the comics, so killing him seems odd.

I really liked Daredevil and left me wanting more and wishing it were a longer season than 13 episodes.

I liked the Veronica Mars Neo Noir style cinematography with the lit backgrounds and dark foregrounds.

Fighting and action sequences were very well produced and very graphic in nature. I liked the non-vocal music score that went along with them.

Vincent D'Onofrio I thought was brilliant. Really had me believing he was the Kingpin. The chick playing Karen Page is hot. But her and Foggy's side stories seem repetitive but that's a minor complaint.

If you like your gritty crime drama with comicbook plotting. Then Daredevil is the show for you.

Well that was kind of a big part of his character arc. He was struggling with being in a dying profession. Are you sure you watch this show?

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I expected him to die when he first appeared, but then looked up his history and saw he was actually a key figure in the comics, so killing him seems odd.

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I didn't read DD comics, but yeah, looking at his wiki page, that was definitely a surprising move. I guess one way to not have character glut going forward is to purge a few every so often.

John Wesley was another somewhat surprising death. I feel like if this were a network show, he would have been extended due to fan reaction. Just a good character, IMO.