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re: Alonzo mourning says Jordan would average 50 today.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:36 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:36 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:In conclusion, Zo will still be in the Basketball Hall of Fame and you are, well.. nobody.
it doesn't become less dumb because he is a HOFer.
Continue on with your groupthink
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:42 pm to goldenbadger08
quote:Zo is way more successful than I'll ever be. Your insult is applicable to any of us, including you. Doesn't make his comments any less absurd.
In conclusion, Zo will still be in the Basketball Hall of Fame and you are, well.. nobody.
Continue on with your groupthink
You've yet to argue, besides providing poor insults and logical fallacies, why Zo's points are valid. Are you capable of doing that?
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:47 pm to goldenbadger08
In Jordan's 37.1 PPG year, he also averaged 5.2 RPG and 4.6 APG. His USG% was 38.3. The same as Russell Westbrook.
MJ averaged 13.4/27.8 FG and 10.2/11.9 FT, both career highs.
He also shot 48.2% and 85.7%.
To put that into perspective, Jordan would have needed 12.9 more PPG to hit 50.
For every 2.34 FGA he had, he also attempted 1 FT. To get 12.9 more points, he would have needed 9.7 more FGA a game and 4.15 more FTA game. All of that to hit 50 points. To put in how absurd it sounds, Jordan's FGA/FTA would have went from:
27.8 FGA -> 37.5 FGA
11.9 FTA -> 16.1 FTA
Just to get 50 points at the same FG%/FT%.
MJ averaged 13.4/27.8 FG and 10.2/11.9 FT, both career highs.
He also shot 48.2% and 85.7%.
To put that into perspective, Jordan would have needed 12.9 more PPG to hit 50.
For every 2.34 FGA he had, he also attempted 1 FT. To get 12.9 more points, he would have needed 9.7 more FGA a game and 4.15 more FTA game. All of that to hit 50 points. To put in how absurd it sounds, Jordan's FGA/FTA would have went from:
27.8 FGA -> 37.5 FGA
11.9 FTA -> 16.1 FTA
Just to get 50 points at the same FG%/FT%.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:51 pm to goldenbadger08
You're an idiot. Just because somebody was blessed with unreal athletic ability and a huge body doesn't automatically mean they know the game better than everyone else. You have constantly deflected the question as to who would you trust more for basketball knowledge, Pop or Zo?
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:52 pm to buckeye_vol
Just so everyone is aware, goldenbadger08 is often a moron when it comes to basketball discussions. This is not his first foray into the idiotic.
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:58 pm to MSUbulldogs03
quote:
who would you trust more for basketball knowledge, Pop or Zo?
"ZO, OF COURSE, MF'ER
" /goldenbadger
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:03 am to goldenbadger08
quote:you do know that the belief that basketball was so much better 20 years ago is one of the worst examples of group think on the MSB right?
Continue on with your groupthink
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:06 am to WestCoastAg
I love how the same people who say how much bigger, faster, and stronger football players have gotten over the years discredit basketball players doing the same.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:07 am to MSUbulldogs03
Nostalgia makes people dumb.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:25 am to MSUbulldogs03
quote:
I love how the same people who say how much bigger, faster, and stronger football players have gotten over the years discredit basketball players doing the same.
# of injuries in basketball seem to have been increasing with said bigger, faster, and stronger as well.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:26 am to htran90
there is a lot of full retard going on in this thread.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 2:27 am to Tigersfan
He might average 50 on this particular day, but back in his day there was a lot more weak white dudes playing D. If Kobe couldn't average 50 in this era, I doubt Jordan could. Not saying Kobe is better but scoring wise, they are equal.
Maybe 35.
Maybe 35.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 6:54 am to Tigersfan
I could see 40 as a possibility. 50, no way.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 7:00 am to LukeSidewalker
quote:Good point. Kobe, in his prime, is the closest example of Jordan
e might average 50 on this particular day, but back in his day there was a lot more weak white dudes playing D. If Kobe couldn't average 50 in this era, I doubt Jordan could. Not saying Kobe is better but scoring wise, they are equal.
Maybe 35.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 7:30 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:No doubt. Average scores were much higher in the 60s, 70s, 80s.
Yep. The 80's is widely known as the worst defensive era... and Jordan never averaged 50.
Pretty cool info here:
LINK
PS - another cool stat is the average NBA player is 6'7 and its been that way since 1980. Averaging about 10 lbs heavier now however.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 7:36 am to The Mick
Jordan was an extremely smart player and everyone knows it. He wouldn't have to shoot 13 more shots a game like people are saying. He would be a master of getting to the FT line a la Harden, and bump his PPG up 5 points just in that way.
50 is a crap ton, but he's not the first person to say something like that. I think it's not unrealistic to think he could score 35+ for 5 seasons straight, with a season or two right around 40. There aren't many guys who are as competitive as he is, and that is what drives you to greatness
50 is a crap ton, but he's not the first person to say something like that. I think it's not unrealistic to think he could score 35+ for 5 seasons straight, with a season or two right around 40. There aren't many guys who are as competitive as he is, and that is what drives you to greatness
Posted on 3/31/15 at 7:39 am to Buckeye06
quote:Jordan is my favorite all time for sure and Im not doubting him. But how would he get to the FT line more now than he did then?
Jordan was an extremely smart player and everyone knows it. He wouldn't have to shoot 13 more shots a game like people are saying. He would be a master of getting to the FT line a la Harden, and bump his PPG up 5 points just in that way.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:08 am to Buckeye06
quote:He would have to score 13 more points ABOVE his highest scoring season to get to 50. That would be a 35% increase. And that was during an era not know for stellar defense.
Jordan was an extremely smart player and everyone knows it. He wouldn't have to shoot 13 more shots a game like people are saying. He would be a master of getting to the FT line a la Harden, and bump his PPG up 5 points just in that way.
50 is a crap ton, but he's not the first person to say something like that. I think it's not unrealistic to think he could score 35+ for 5 seasons straight, with a season or two right around 40. There aren't many guys who are as competitive as he is, and that is what drives you to greatness
If he just maintained his shooting efficiency, he would have to shoot about 10 more FGs and 4.5 more FTs per game. That being said, those shots would have to be forced and his efficiency would more than likely to decrease. In addition, since he would have to take > 50% or his team's shots (and at the expense of passing), the predictability would make him easier to defend.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 8:08 am
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:18 am to The Mick
quote:
Jordan is my favorite all time for sure and Im not doubting him. But how would he get to the FT line more now than he did then?
Well for one the Euro step became popular after Jordan retired. If he was playing in today's NBA you can sure as shite bet he would be a master of it to draw a couple extra fouls/make a couple more shots a game.
Additionally, I don't think there are many who will debate the guys inside today are nothing like the guys in the 90s, making the lane more accessible which is where tons of fouls are drawn (90% of shooting fouls are in the paint).
I also think he was a guy, who when you said "he can't" he would work that much harder to prove you wrong.
And since we are bashing Alonzo, should we also bash Phil Jackson who said he would average 45?
I can admit that overall athletes are better today because it's obvious when you look on the court. However, the 4s and 5s today are not better than those in the 90s. The athletic ability has really hit the guards and small forwards, who now dominate the league.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:25 am to Buckeye06
The illegal defense rules kept the lane more open when Jordan played than it is now. So you are incorrect in saying the lane is more accessible now.
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