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re: Alonzo mourning says Jordan would average 50 today.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:27 am to Buckeye06
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:27 am to Buckeye06
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Interesting read at the least.
Drexler: “Oh, tremendously better, from shooting percentage to points per game everything would be up, and our old teams would score a lot more points, and that is saying something because we could score a lot back then. I do think there should be an asterisk next to some of these scoring leaders, because it is much different trying to score with a forearm in your face. It is harder to score with that resistance. You had to turn your back on guys defending you back in the day with all the hand checking that was going on. For guys who penetrate these days, it’s hunting season. Yes, now you can play (floating)zone(legally), but teams rarely do.”
Dumars: “It would have been virtually impossible to defend Michael Jordan based on the way the game’s being called right now.”
Recall that Dumars was in Front office of an NBA team through 2014.
I never said he'd score 50, but 40 wouldn't surprise me in the least
Interesting read at the least.
Drexler: “Oh, tremendously better, from shooting percentage to points per game everything would be up, and our old teams would score a lot more points, and that is saying something because we could score a lot back then. I do think there should be an asterisk next to some of these scoring leaders, because it is much different trying to score with a forearm in your face. It is harder to score with that resistance. You had to turn your back on guys defending you back in the day with all the hand checking that was going on. For guys who penetrate these days, it’s hunting season. Yes, now you can play (floating)zone(legally), but teams rarely do.”
Dumars: “It would have been virtually impossible to defend Michael Jordan based on the way the game’s being called right now.”
Recall that Dumars was in Front office of an NBA team through 2014.
I never said he'd score 50, but 40 wouldn't surprise me in the least
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Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:32 am to Buckeye06
Those are simply old players who love talking about how awesome their own era was. They aren't unbiased observers.
You still hear Bill Russell talking about how awesome his era was back in the 60's.
You still hear Bill Russell talking about how awesome his era was back in the 60's.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:34 am to Buckeye06
quote:if kobe only got to 35 once, I have my doubts michael could do it 5 straight years
I think it's not unrealistic to think he could score 35+ for 5 seasons straight, with a season or two right around 40.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:40 am to PrimeTime Money
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Those are simply old players who love talking about how awesome their own era was. They aren't unbiased observers.
Joe Dumars ran a front office for 15 years, and Phil Jackson won 10 titles, from the early 90s through the late 2000s. Those 2 aren't just guys reliving the glory days, they have coached/ran offices in the league today.
Hell even Kobe said the game today is soft. He Duncan and Garnett are really 3 of the guys I would believe when it comes to how the game has changed since they have been great in both eras (if we are talking the 90s as opposed to the 80s of course)
If you want to say Zones have slowed scorers down fine, but there are no centers in the NBA even in the same league as those in the 90s
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:42 am to WestCoastAg
quote:MJ only did it twice (granted it was back to back seasons), but you can see that his efficiency improved as he shot and scored less.
if kobe only got to 35 once, I have my doubts michael could do it 5 straight years
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:48 am to buckeye_vol
Well yea, and that's because even for the most efficient scorer of all time, getting to 35 a game is fricking hard
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 8:48 am
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:51 am to Buckeye06
MJ would own the bitch arse non-physical play they have today.
Either he would score at will, or just rack up 20 a game from the line.
Either he would score at will, or just rack up 20 a game from the line.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:52 am to Buckeye06
quote:Kobe also said:
Hell even Kobe said the game today is soft. He Duncan and Garnett are really 3 of the guys I would believe when it comes to how the game has changed since they have been great in both eras (if we are talking the 90s as opposed to the 80s of course)
Kobe's belief is that the game is softer now. It used to be more physical, but it also used to be more 1 on 1. That meant it used to be more if a star's league. You had to have superior skill to handle the physical play. However, it was a 1-on-1 league. So if you were a gifted 1 on 1 player, a little physicality isn't going to stop you. It's going to stop the inferior players.
Now, the perimeter game is less physical, but because of the zone it makes it harder for great 1 on 1 players to score. Teams have to pass the ball and run pick and roll to break down a defense. And that style of play elevates the effectiveness of shooters and role players.
Kobe wants to go back to the time when 1 on 1 basketball was king. Back then, the game was better for superior scorers (Jordan, Olajuwon, even Kobe). Now, it's more difficult for the stars while elevating the worth of role players.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 8:56 am
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:59 am to Buckeye06
quote:Joe Dumars (player during that time) and Phil (MJs coach) have major incentive to be biased. Regardless, the rules changes that would have helped MJ (handcheck) would have been offset by rule changes that would have hurt him (zone and help defenses).
Joe Dumars ran a front office for 15 years, and Phil Jackson won 10 titles, from the early 90s through the late 2000s. Those 2 aren't just guys reliving the glory days, they have coached/ran offices in the league today.
Hell even Kobe said the game today is soft. He Duncan and Garnett are really 3 of the guys I would believe when it comes to how the game has changed since they have been great in both eras (if we are talking the 90s as opposed to the 80s of course)
If you want to say Zones have slowed scorers down fine, but there are no centers in the NBA even in the same league as those in the 90s
In all actuality, MJ would probably have done just as well as be did during his time. As a reference, if you take MJs highest scoring season (37.1), and throw out his 10 lowest scoring games (nearly an eighth of the season) of that season, he would have averaged 39.3 points.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:05 am to Buckeye06
I agree the league is softer today, but I also believe it has gotten that way because of the bigger, better athletes, just the way football has gotten softer due to this.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:05 am to Buckeye06
quote:I agree with this 100%. I think the comments about what Jordan could do today vs yesteryear is generally ignorant. (not you). People always say guys were tougher "back then". Because of the amount of $ being paid to NBA players now, the scorers get all the highlights and people generally assume that defense is terrible across the league. Its harder to score now than it was then. Again, I would never doubt Jordan but I just don't see any real reason to believe he would produce more now vs then.
I can admit that overall athletes are better today because it's obvious when you look on the court. However, the 4s and 5s today are not better than those in the 90s. The athletic ability has really hit the guards and small forwards, who now dominate the league
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:05 am to MSUbulldogs03
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I also believe it has gotten that way because of the bigger, better athletes, just the way football has gotten softer due to this.
lol wut?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:10 am to lsupride87
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If he couldnt avg 50 in the shitastic shite they called defense in the 80s, he has no chance today
Didn't you hear. D was better back then because you could legally clothesline and punch offensive players. Takes a lot of talent and discipline for that.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:13 am to MSUbulldogs03
quote:The NFL is softer because of rules making it safer. How would bigger better athletes make a sport softer?
I agree the league is softer today, but I also believe it has gotten that way because of the bigger, better athletes, just the way football has gotten softer due to this.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:21 am to Buckeye06
quote:You either think he's shooting wayyyyyy over 30 times per game, or he's shooting wayyyyy over 60% from the field.
I never said he'd score 50, but 40 wouldn't surprise me in the least
Both are pretty ridiculous.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:22 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:Game set match
Those are simply old players who love talking about how awesome their own era was. They aren't unbiased observers
That really is all it is, "everything was better back in my day!!!"
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:23 am to The Mick
The NBA is softer because of rules making it safer. No hand checks, bodying down low, defensive 3 seconds, flagrant fouls for hard fouls.
Bigger, better athletes are more susceptible to causing injuries to others and themselves; therefor, these rules are in place to try to prevent that.
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How would bigger better athletes make a sport softer?
Bigger, better athletes are more susceptible to causing injuries to others and themselves; therefor, these rules are in place to try to prevent that.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 9:24 am
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:36 am to Buckeye06
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Additionally, I don't think there are many who will debate the guys inside today are nothing like the guys in the 90s, making the lane more accessible which is where tons of fouls are drawn (90% of shooting fouls are in the paint).
Offensively, yes no question. However in today's game almost every team has at least 1 decent "rim protector" big whose sole purpose is to change shots at the rim. And these guys are always near the rim now due to the recent defensive rules. Jordan was a great finisher, but its much harder to finish at the rim these days against good teams which is why great teams focus on floor spacing and balance (as opposed to the Mark Jackson/Barkley back down with everyone on the other side of the floor) to help create good shots (now I feel like I'm criticizing the Pels with that last statement).
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:43 am to NOLALGD
I just want to hear one person address the fact that the 80s had the worst defense in NBA history, as well has the most points scored in NBA history, and MJ couldnt come even close to 50 ppg. Explain how he would today. Go
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:46 am to MSUbulldogs03
quote:The rules are in place to promote scoring. Scoring sells tickets. Flagrant fouls have been in place for 25 years.
Bigger, better athletes are more susceptible to causing injuries to others and themselves; therefor, these rules are in place to try to prevent that.
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